That person is indeed dumb, Jill Stein is (AFAIK) a well intentioned politician who wants to pressure both major political parties to be more environmentally aware - this is a noble act and she deserves praise for bringing more awareness of the environment to the national stage... but voting for her is dumb and AOC has had a much larger impact on pushing environmental policies than Stein has.
aoc isn't on my ballot
Most elections aren't for the executive and down ballot elections, especially local elections, are extremely important. Additionally, if Jill Stein was primarying Biden it'd be extremely reasonable to vote for her there - I am really happy to uncommitted campaign happened and the results have clearly influenced Biden.
When it comes to the general election though the scenario is different.
voting for Joe Biden or Donald Trump is immoral, so I Guess I will have to be unreasonable if I am too do the right thing
I disagree. If Trump is elected we'll see a further erosion of women's health care access. In my opinion it's immoral not to vote for Joe Biden because thousands of women will die if Trump wins.
If your pride is worth those lives then you're fucking delusional.
it's not about my pride, but if you found me suggesting it was, you're fucking delusional.
it's about doing the right thing. it is wrong to vote for joe biden.
It is incorrect to think that Biden is the best person to be president - but our electoral system is what it is and Biden is a clearly better choice than Trump.
As I said earlier it's A or B and one of those choices is fucking disastrous.
as i said earlier, i expect to have more than two choices on my ballot, and neither of the two mentioned are worthy of the office.
That's a very fair view, but one of those two people will be the next president. It's up to you (and everyone else) which one of them it will be.
Oh, unless they die first. There's actually a significant chance that natural causes eliminates one of those options first.
i won't be responsible for you putting biden in place, just as i won't be responsible if others put trump in place. but if your logic held up, and you knew you could not convince me to vote democrat, then you should be trying to convince all the democrats to vote for someone else who might be able to get my vote. and if you don't vote with me then you are splitting the vote.
But you will be responsible for putting Trump in and nothing you say will make that not true.
> you will be responsible for putting Trump in
the only people responsible for putting trump in are people who vote for him. unless you think i can take credit for biden winning in 2020, too?
>nothing you say will make that not true.
the fact that i'm not responsible for how other people vote is what makes it true.
That person is indeed dumb, Jill Stein is (AFAIK) a well intentioned politician who wants to pressure both major political parties to be more environmentally aware - this is a noble act and she deserves praise for bringing more awareness of the environment to the national stage... but voting for her is dumb and AOC has had a much larger impact on pushing environmental policies than Stein has.
aoc isn't on my ballot
Most elections aren't for the executive and down ballot elections, especially local elections, are extremely important. Additionally, if Jill Stein was primarying Biden it'd be extremely reasonable to vote for her there - I am really happy to uncommitted campaign happened and the results have clearly influenced Biden.
When it comes to the general election though the scenario is different.
voting for Joe Biden or Donald Trump is immoral, so I Guess I will have to be unreasonable if I am too do the right thing
I disagree. If Trump is elected we'll see a further erosion of women's health care access. In my opinion it's immoral not to vote for Joe Biden because thousands of women will die if Trump wins.
If your pride is worth those lives then you're fucking delusional.
it's not about my pride, but if you found me suggesting it was, you're fucking delusional.
it's about doing the right thing. it is wrong to vote for joe biden.
It is incorrect to think that Biden is the best person to be president - but our electoral system is what it is and Biden is a clearly better choice than Trump.
As I said earlier it's A or B and one of those choices is fucking disastrous.
as i said earlier, i expect to have more than two choices on my ballot, and neither of the two mentioned are worthy of the office.
That's a very fair view, but one of those two people will be the next president. It's up to you (and everyone else) which one of them it will be.
Oh, unless they die first. There's actually a significant chance that natural causes eliminates one of those options first.
i won't be responsible for you putting biden in place, just as i won't be responsible if others put trump in place. but if your logic held up, and you knew you could not convince me to vote democrat, then you should be trying to convince all the democrats to vote for someone else who might be able to get my vote. and if you don't vote with me then you are splitting the vote.
But you will be responsible for putting Trump in and nothing you say will make that not true.
> you will be responsible for putting Trump in
the only people responsible for putting trump in are people who vote for him. unless you think i can take credit for biden winning in 2020, too?
>nothing you say will make that not true.
the fact that i'm not responsible for how other people vote is what makes it true.