One of the many reasons we weren’t able to get on top of climate change is it’s a long term process. Actions we take now, have consequences in years to come. We are making progress with the human causes of climate change, but if you’re looking at actual temperature change, the result, you’ll need to look ahead
Similar with population growth. Previous generations couldn’t comprehend climate because it was too far in th pe future, too long term. I think it’s similar with current generation and population change. Global society has already changed to lock in a decrease in population and some countries may se enough to be destabilized, but you’re not going to see those effects yet. Look a little farther in the future for the effects, and they are there. I’d argue it’s getting to be time to try to reverse DEpopulation. Sure, we’ll grow for a few more decades until bigger generations die off and current generations of less than replacement come to dominate, but we’ve already done this. Now’s the time to make changes if we want to control collapsing population in 50 years
The problem is even if we 100% fix climate change we are still gonna devastate the planet, well kill off our society at the least. Like we can't destroy ecosystems and expect no repercussions down the foodchain, we can't keep overfishing and expect fish to still be there, and we can't expect our crops to grow when we destroy the topsoil viability. We are fucked
There have always been existential threats and it’s certainly true now, but it hasn’t happened yet. A bit of a tautology, but where there’s hope, there’s hope. As long as we don’t give up, as long as we tackle the important issues ahead, as long as we can picture the society that can live past it, we can make it happen
Who is we? We seem intent on killing 99% of us to keep 1% happy
... This is addressed in 4/5 of the links I posted lol.
Right cause ~ 5% of energy being generated by renewables is such a big help!!
Do any of you cite or do you just enjoy clinging to doomer YouTube videos with sketchy sources and a reach so far they may as well be Mr. Fantastic? Propaganda hitting y'all hard.
Most first world nations are far above 5%. I see some 10-20 year old data that suggests around 5... we are well above that in the USA, let alone the world.
Renewable energy generates over 20% of all U.S. electricity , and that percentage continues to grow. The following graphic breaks down the shares of total electricity production in 2022 among the types of renewable power: In 2022, annual U.S. renewable energy generation surpassed coal for the first time in history.
In 2022, 38% of the world's electricity was delivered by carbon-free generation sources (nuclear, hydropower, and combined renewables), similar to 2021. The global electricity system is still mostly powered by fossil energy, but it is undergoing an increasingly rapid rate of change.
38% of electricity. Check here it says about 15% is "renewable" energy (which still relies on fossil fuels to be constructed) and its not like the demand for fuel/electricity is slowing down, its rapidly increasing!
Nuclear is zero-emission clean energy mate... I love how you're all just wrong, constantly, but goalposts shift again and again while you just ignore my already placed sources that cover everything you're all talking about.
Be a concern troll, be a propagandist, do you mate, it's Lemmy lmfao. Either way, to all the doomers out there, it's bullshit.
The vast majority of humanity will keep going down the right path, despite apocalypticists heralding the end of civilization every year since Jesus was doing it. Avoiding the worst of 4 degrees of warming has already been mitigated and we're on a trend to keep it going lower and lower, because people DO care about our futures, because we're those people lmfao.
Climate change being real doesn't mean having to be a jaded cynic.
What? Nuclear is included in my 15% figure. Also do some research, anyone with half a brain in climate science is terrified.
Are you interpreting your quote wrong? What do you think 38% of electricity and 15% renewable means vs what I quoted?
Yeah, because of the refugee crisis it presents for coastal nations and poor middle-mid latitudes which is already an issue. Not because the world will end lol.
Since logic won't work, maybe I'll just try have to use social media on y'all too via science memes.
Electricity is not the only energy. Do you run your car with Electricity? Can you make steel with solar panels? Can you create fertilizer with wind turbines?? The last time we had as much CO2 in the atmosphere as today the climate was IIRC 4-6°C warmer than today and sea levels were meters above where they are today. If the predictions are correct we are on track for RCP 8.5 a.k.a. we are fucked and don't even realize it yet
Everything is under control, just don't look up
Right.? Self-deception is a helluva drug.
One of the many reasons we weren’t able to get on top of climate change is it’s a long term process. Actions we take now, have consequences in years to come. We are making progress with the human causes of climate change, but if you’re looking at actual temperature change, the result, you’ll need to look ahead
Similar with population growth. Previous generations couldn’t comprehend climate because it was too far in th pe future, too long term. I think it’s similar with current generation and population change. Global society has already changed to lock in a decrease in population and some countries may se enough to be destabilized, but you’re not going to see those effects yet. Look a little farther in the future for the effects, and they are there. I’d argue it’s getting to be time to try to reverse DEpopulation. Sure, we’ll grow for a few more decades until bigger generations die off and current generations of less than replacement come to dominate, but we’ve already done this. Now’s the time to make changes if we want to control collapsing population in 50 years
The problem is even if we 100% fix climate change we are still gonna devastate the planet, well kill off our society at the least. Like we can't destroy ecosystems and expect no repercussions down the foodchain, we can't keep overfishing and expect fish to still be there, and we can't expect our crops to grow when we destroy the topsoil viability. We are fucked
There have always been existential threats and it’s certainly true now, but it hasn’t happened yet. A bit of a tautology, but where there’s hope, there’s hope. As long as we don’t give up, as long as we tackle the important issues ahead, as long as we can picture the society that can live past it, we can make it happen
Who is we? We seem intent on killing 99% of us to keep 1% happy
... This is addressed in 4/5 of the links I posted lol.
Right cause ~ 5% of energy being generated by renewables is such a big help!!
Do any of you cite or do you just enjoy clinging to doomer YouTube videos with sketchy sources and a reach so far they may as well be Mr. Fantastic? Propaganda hitting y'all hard.
Most first world nations are far above 5%. I see some 10-20 year old data that suggests around 5... we are well above that in the USA, let alone the world.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/renewable-energy
https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2023/how-renewable-energy-is-transforming-the-global-electricity-supply.html
38% of electricity. Check here it says about 15% is "renewable" energy (which still relies on fossil fuels to be constructed) and its not like the demand for fuel/electricity is slowing down, its rapidly increasing!
Nuclear is zero-emission clean energy mate... I love how you're all just wrong, constantly, but goalposts shift again and again while you just ignore my already placed sources that cover everything you're all talking about.
Be a concern troll, be a propagandist, do you mate, it's Lemmy lmfao. Either way, to all the doomers out there, it's bullshit.
The vast majority of humanity will keep going down the right path, despite apocalypticists heralding the end of civilization every year since Jesus was doing it. Avoiding the worst of 4 degrees of warming has already been mitigated and we're on a trend to keep it going lower and lower, because people DO care about our futures, because we're those people lmfao.
Climate change being real doesn't mean having to be a jaded cynic.
What? Nuclear is included in my 15% figure. Also do some research, anyone with half a brain in climate science is terrified.
Are you interpreting your quote wrong? What do you think 38% of electricity and 15% renewable means vs what I quoted?
Yeah, because of the refugee crisis it presents for coastal nations and poor middle-mid latitudes which is already an issue. Not because the world will end lol.
Since logic won't work, maybe I'll just try have to use social media on y'all too via science memes.
https://mander.xyz/post/10840974
Electricity is not the only energy. Do you run your car with Electricity? Can you make steel with solar panels? Can you create fertilizer with wind turbines?? The last time we had as much CO2 in the atmosphere as today the climate was IIRC 4-6°C warmer than today and sea levels were meters above where they are today. If the predictions are correct we are on track for RCP 8.5 a.k.a. we are fucked and don't even realize it yet