Title and insure all firearms so that even private sales will have to go through at least one government official to run a background check,
Require secure and separate storage of the gun and ammunition verified randomly at least once a year, subsidize the locker though so it's not just a barrier to ownership for the poor,
Require separate licenses for different loading actions and holding classes (one vs two handed),
Provide a permanent office that facilitates both buybacks and also display rendering for folks who just want to keep a hand-me-down for show,
Have a class of criminal and felony law related to the firearm titled to you being used in the committing of a crime or being found in someone else's hands without you having reported it stolen, especially if it can be proven that you handed them the weapon willingly,
Subsidize gun stores being able to build ranges so that people can get their itch out by renting for a day to shoot at targets since let's face it most people buying guns are doing it because they're enthusiasts who'll probably test fire it once and then barely use it again except to pose with it,
Immediately seize firearms owned by someone who is a suspect of a violent crime,
Subsidize replacing firearms for people who were wrongly suspected or convicted of a crime which got their weapons seized,
Prohibit bringing the guns into public spaces aside from hunting grounds and shooting clubs and events,
Post federal security at the entrances to gun shows and shooting events to detain anyone who'd fail the background check that's trying to get entry.
jfc what an absolute hellhole of a police state you’ve dreamt up. so many of your hairbrained ideas amount to “cops should have unlimited access to your private life”. how exactly do you think this would play out given the US and it’s systemic racism and classism?
If your entire private life is guns then maybe the police should have unlimited access to it.
Most black and poor people aren't ammosexuals believe it or not!
I think his point was that this sentence "Require secure and separate storage of the gun and ammunition verified randomly at least once a year" would imply that police could enter anyone's home at any time during a year without consent or prior notice. Which is a big 4th amendment violation here in the US.
Buying a firearm should be considered consent to measures of accountability.
Your rights as a firearm owner are worth less than your responsibility to society as a firearm owner.
Not to mention "unreasonable search and seizure" is pretty well ruled out by it being a law establishing it as common procedure.
It'd be like ruling the very concept of mandatory vehicle inspections or probation to be unconstitutional.
Not to mention "unreasonable search and seizure" is pretty well ruled out by it being a law establishing it as common procedure.
I don't mean to be rude or blunt. But bills passed by Congress do not supercede the constitution or act as a qualifier of constitutionality. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
If Congress decided you can't speak your mind well tough cookies the Constitution says 1st Amendment. A law establishing something as common procedure doesn't make that procedure virtuous or constitutional.
No but there's a wide gulf between proving unreasonable search and seizure vs proving restriction of free expression.
My point is that laws establishing warrantable causes for search rarely fall afoul of unreasonable search and seizure, mainly because they involve the reasonable procedure of warrants and having to prove cause without.
Cool, but the current implementation of the constitution won’t really let that happen.
Literally none of what's described above has been stopped by anyone except not being able to menace the public with your firearm, because yes, just having the gun at all is still menacing. Even if only you know you have it, every situation you're involved in is 10X more escalated than it needs to be because a gun is involved at all.
Also, frankly, fuck what the founding fathers have to say about anything, they were slave oligarchs who believed that letting women, minorities, or even just non land owning white men vote was too much to bear, so the old syphilis ridden bags can continue to fucking rot for what they say we should do about the fact that one man can annihilate a crowd in the time it takes authorities to even realize where he is, let alone do anything to stop him.
“every situation you're involved in is 10X more escalated than it needs to be because a gun is involved at all”
absolutely delusional, please explain how a vulnerable individual concealed carrying is escalating anything.
Well for starters them having the gun doesn't help protect them, it just raises the odds that their killer will take the murder weapon from them after a struggle.
Not to mention how you having the gun still puts you in an escalated frame of reference compared to where you'd be at without a weapon.
The only way for the presence of a firearm to not put anyone on edge is for everyone to be completely unaware it's even there, so unless you feel like taking short term memory loss pills before you walk out already strapped, you're still menacing and escalating the situation by having the gun on you.
IMO the model should be,
Title and insure all firearms so that even private sales will have to go through at least one government official to run a background check,
Require secure and separate storage of the gun and ammunition verified randomly at least once a year, subsidize the locker though so it's not just a barrier to ownership for the poor,
Require separate licenses for different loading actions and holding classes (one vs two handed),
Provide a permanent office that facilitates both buybacks and also display rendering for folks who just want to keep a hand-me-down for show,
Have a class of criminal and felony law related to the firearm titled to you being used in the committing of a crime or being found in someone else's hands without you having reported it stolen, especially if it can be proven that you handed them the weapon willingly,
Subsidize gun stores being able to build ranges so that people can get their itch out by renting for a day to shoot at targets since let's face it most people buying guns are doing it because they're enthusiasts who'll probably test fire it once and then barely use it again except to pose with it,
Immediately seize firearms owned by someone who is a suspect of a violent crime,
Subsidize replacing firearms for people who were wrongly suspected or convicted of a crime which got their weapons seized,
Prohibit bringing the guns into public spaces aside from hunting grounds and shooting clubs and events,
Post federal security at the entrances to gun shows and shooting events to detain anyone who'd fail the background check that's trying to get entry.
jfc what an absolute hellhole of a police state you’ve dreamt up. so many of your hairbrained ideas amount to “cops should have unlimited access to your private life”. how exactly do you think this would play out given the US and it’s systemic racism and classism?
If your entire private life is guns then maybe the police should have unlimited access to it.
Most black and poor people aren't ammosexuals believe it or not!
I think his point was that this sentence "Require secure and separate storage of the gun and ammunition verified randomly at least once a year" would imply that police could enter anyone's home at any time during a year without consent or prior notice. Which is a big 4th amendment violation here in the US.
Buying a firearm should be considered consent to measures of accountability.
Your rights as a firearm owner are worth less than your responsibility to society as a firearm owner.
Not to mention "unreasonable search and seizure" is pretty well ruled out by it being a law establishing it as common procedure.
It'd be like ruling the very concept of mandatory vehicle inspections or probation to be unconstitutional.
I don't mean to be rude or blunt. But bills passed by Congress do not supercede the constitution or act as a qualifier of constitutionality. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
If Congress decided you can't speak your mind well tough cookies the Constitution says 1st Amendment. A law establishing something as common procedure doesn't make that procedure virtuous or constitutional.
No but there's a wide gulf between proving unreasonable search and seizure vs proving restriction of free expression.
My point is that laws establishing warrantable causes for search rarely fall afoul of unreasonable search and seizure, mainly because they involve the reasonable procedure of warrants and having to prove cause without.
Cool, but the current implementation of the constitution won’t really let that happen.
Literally none of what's described above has been stopped by anyone except not being able to menace the public with your firearm, because yes, just having the gun at all is still menacing. Even if only you know you have it, every situation you're involved in is 10X more escalated than it needs to be because a gun is involved at all.
Also, frankly, fuck what the founding fathers have to say about anything, they were slave oligarchs who believed that letting women, minorities, or even just non land owning white men vote was too much to bear, so the old syphilis ridden bags can continue to fucking rot for what they say we should do about the fact that one man can annihilate a crowd in the time it takes authorities to even realize where he is, let alone do anything to stop him.
“every situation you're involved in is 10X more escalated than it needs to be because a gun is involved at all”
absolutely delusional, please explain how a vulnerable individual concealed carrying is escalating anything.
Well for starters them having the gun doesn't help protect them, it just raises the odds that their killer will take the murder weapon from them after a struggle.
Not to mention how you having the gun still puts you in an escalated frame of reference compared to where you'd be at without a weapon.
The only way for the presence of a firearm to not put anyone on edge is for everyone to be completely unaware it's even there, so unless you feel like taking short term memory loss pills before you walk out already strapped, you're still menacing and escalating the situation by having the gun on you.