yes, and i also know that their candidacy had nothing to do with who won the two elections they are (erroneously) credited with spoiling.
They're (accurately) credited with spoiling said elections and it is yet another example of the complete toothless value of 3rd-parties.
any amount of research will show that, in fact, perot's candidacy decreased clinton's margin of victory, and gore won that election.
Any amount of research will, in fact, show that Perot did not win and 3rd-party groups routinely spoil elections without remotely advancing their own agenda they claim to care about.
perot's campaign had a significant impact on the politics of the 90s, transforming the democrats from a party (accused of) supporting welfare to a party of ... well... the fucking clintons.
Bernie had an effect on the party too, except he did it in a way that didn't backfire for progress.
Bernie understands it's far easier to take two steps back under Republicans versus maintaining what we've got, let alone making progress.
Bernie had an effect on the party too, except he did it in a way that didn’t backfire for progress.
if by that, you mean progressing the party to the right, you're correct. he hasn't reversed the course of the democrat party at all.
He hasn't? I'm pretty sure universal healthcare is more popular than ever among Democrats; and things like tuition reimbursement would've been inconceivable merely 10-years-ago.
There is ambiguity in your argument of them creeping to the right.
I’m pretty sure universal healthcare is more popular than ever among Democrats; and things like tuition reimbursement would’ve been inconceivable merely 10-years-ago.
that's not leftist.
It's never left enough; just like the overton-window of the right.
leftists are communists and anarchists. communism is a stateless classless moneyless society. what you're calling leftists is actually fascist.
3rd-party groups routinely spoil elections
no, they don't. i reject the entire narrative of "spoiling" elections, as it presupposes that one party or another is owed (or owns outright) the votes. they do not. they must earn the votes, and if i so-called third party candidate earns the votes, tehy are not spoiling anything. they are doing what politicians are supposed to do: earn votes.
Historians, scholars, political-scientists all disagree. I won't argue with the proverbial-equivalent of flat-earthers, for that's just a denialism too far gone.
he proverbial-equivalent of flat-earthers,
this is pigeonholing. you are trying to group me in with a (n unrelated) group of people and dismiss my valid assertions. it's yet another mark of intellectual dishonesty
It's an apt comparison, reflective of the non-sequitur you're engaging in. Lacking any substantive rebuttal or sourced rebuttal, it's a reflection of what I see in flat-earthers.
reflective of the non-sequitur you’re engaging in
i have done no such thing.
Historians, scholars, political-scientists all disagree
no, they don't
Yes they do.
its the subject of serious debate in scholarly sources.
yes, and i also know that their candidacy had nothing to do with who won the two elections they are (erroneously) credited with spoiling.
They're (accurately) credited with spoiling said elections and it is yet another example of the complete toothless value of 3rd-parties.
any amount of research will show that, in fact, perot's candidacy decreased clinton's margin of victory, and gore won that election.
Any amount of research will, in fact, show that Perot did not win and 3rd-party groups routinely spoil elections without remotely advancing their own agenda they claim to care about.
perot's campaign had a significant impact on the politics of the 90s, transforming the democrats from a party (accused of) supporting welfare to a party of ... well... the fucking clintons.
Bernie had an effect on the party too, except he did it in a way that didn't backfire for progress.
Bernie understands it's far easier to take two steps back under Republicans versus maintaining what we've got, let alone making progress.
if by that, you mean progressing the party to the right, you're correct. he hasn't reversed the course of the democrat party at all.
He hasn't? I'm pretty sure universal healthcare is more popular than ever among Democrats; and things like tuition reimbursement would've been inconceivable merely 10-years-ago.
There is ambiguity in your argument of them creeping to the right.
that's not leftist.
It's never left enough; just like the overton-window of the right.
leftists are communists and anarchists. communism is a stateless classless moneyless society. what you're calling leftists is actually fascist.
no, they don't. i reject the entire narrative of "spoiling" elections, as it presupposes that one party or another is owed (or owns outright) the votes. they do not. they must earn the votes, and if i so-called third party candidate earns the votes, tehy are not spoiling anything. they are doing what politicians are supposed to do: earn votes.
Historians, scholars, political-scientists all disagree. I won't argue with the proverbial-equivalent of flat-earthers, for that's just a denialism too far gone.
this is pigeonholing. you are trying to group me in with a (n unrelated) group of people and dismiss my valid assertions. it's yet another mark of intellectual dishonesty
It's an apt comparison, reflective of the non-sequitur you're engaging in. Lacking any substantive rebuttal or sourced rebuttal, it's a reflection of what I see in flat-earthers.
i have done no such thing.
no, they don't
Yes they do.
its the subject of serious debate in scholarly sources.