Wow, I honestly thought Lemmy would be less transphobic. This totally rational comment downvoted for no reason. If most women in sports aren't concerned about trans women being there, why are all these assholes concerned about it.
You misunderstood. Us not wanting to compete against genetic men is absolutely not transphobic. I support transwomen whole-heartedly, they should absolutely have equal rights, and it is rude to intentionally mis-gender them. This has everything to do with wanting fair competition in sports. Men's bodies are built differently than women's bodies. This is not a human issue. This is an animal issue. It is across all species that the bodies of males and females are built differently. If this were not the case, then we never would have had male/female segregation in sports.
Just gonna point out historically most male/female segregation in sports is actually due to sexism, and a lack of women's rights, not due to an "animal issue".
Sexism against who? Do you mean against men since they were not historically allowed to play women's sports sports, while women were allowed to play men's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but women are allowed in nearly all of the world's major leagues. They just don't perform competitively enough to be drafted.
To be clear, I was saying sexual dimorphism goes much deeper than just humans. In most animal species, there is a huge difference in size and strength between males and females. Humans are not unique in this, that's all I was saying.
the word "genetic men" is a terf phrase fyi
Then give a label for someone who is born with a penis. If your goal is clear communication, then clear labeling should be your friend, not something to try to attack into extinction.
You say you want clarity but you're missing clarity yourself. Why is it important to exclude people born with penises from women's sports? You don't know what that person may have experienced hormonally over the years, and you definitely don't know their gender. Someone being born with a penis doesn't actually give you the information you're claiming to want with your terf-phrase. If you want to find inclusive language, maybe look at what some trans orgs have suggested.
Sexual dimorphism. Look it up, learn about it. This is not a new concept. It is well established and runs through the vast majority of animal species. Nobody can help you until you develop a desire to learn. The ball is in your court. Only you can get yourself out of this intellectual and emotional hole that you have dug yourself into.
Sex is a spectrum! Look it up!
I am quite sure I have studied the topic more deeply than you have :D
You are right, it is a spectrum. The spectrum of sex doesn't make sexual dimorphism invalid though. If you have studied this stuff very deeply at all, then you are exceptionally skilled at hiding it. Whenever anyone asks you anything in this thread, you always just instantly dive behind childish name calling and mindless insults. You have an opportunity to share your point of view here, and yet it always seems to come out as if you have no substance whatsoever. I know it's not true. You could be doing so much better.
I'm not interested in arguing with transphobes :) just here for other trans people
Words lose meaning when people use them too much. There actually are people put there that speak derogatorily of trans people. I'm not one of them. It is OK for people to have different points of view. I know you've been hurt badly, and that is not fair, it shows in nearly every comment you make. I wish those things hadn't happened to you, but I, and the others in this thread trying to help you are not the ones who hurt you. It is OK to let your guard down sometimes, snapping at everybody and instantly resorting to insults at any sign of disagreement isn't helping you at all, it is just making you a more and more bitter person. I hope some day you can find some peace.
you are arguing very strongly in a ton of comments against trans rights!! transphobe!!!
I'm not against trans people having rights. I never said anything against trans people having rights. I believe everyone should have equal rights. It amazes me that anyone would be against anyone else having equal rights. I don't understand blind hatred towards entire groups simply due to differences. I know it will fall on deaf ears, but you literally are exactly what you are claiming of me. You are behaving extremely bigotedly.
You have the power to change, and there are many people who will support you if/when you decide to approach the world in a more loving way. I think that the fact that you keep encouraging me to respond is a good sign that deep down, you truly want to be better. I'm sorry people have treated you poorly, but they only have as much power as you decide to continue giving them. You can break the chains they've put on you, you are not their slave. You are strong, and you can get out of this.
booo!!!! transphobe!!!!! bad performance!!!!! noone believes you give a shit!!! no Oscars for you!!!!
Wow, I honestly thought Lemmy would be less transphobic. This totally rational comment downvoted for no reason. If most women in sports aren't concerned about trans women being there, why are all these assholes concerned about it.
You misunderstood. Us not wanting to compete against genetic men is absolutely not transphobic. I support transwomen whole-heartedly, they should absolutely have equal rights, and it is rude to intentionally mis-gender them. This has everything to do with wanting fair competition in sports. Men's bodies are built differently than women's bodies. This is not a human issue. This is an animal issue. It is across all species that the bodies of males and females are built differently. If this were not the case, then we never would have had male/female segregation in sports.
Just gonna point out historically most male/female segregation in sports is actually due to sexism, and a lack of women's rights, not due to an "animal issue".
Sexism against who? Do you mean against men since they were not historically allowed to play women's sports sports, while women were allowed to play men's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but women are allowed in nearly all of the world's major leagues. They just don't perform competitively enough to be drafted.
To be clear, I was saying sexual dimorphism goes much deeper than just humans. In most animal species, there is a huge difference in size and strength between males and females. Humans are not unique in this, that's all I was saying.
the word "genetic men" is a terf phrase fyi
Then give a label for someone who is born with a penis. If your goal is clear communication, then clear labeling should be your friend, not something to try to attack into extinction.
You say you want clarity but you're missing clarity yourself. Why is it important to exclude people born with penises from women's sports? You don't know what that person may have experienced hormonally over the years, and you definitely don't know their gender. Someone being born with a penis doesn't actually give you the information you're claiming to want with your terf-phrase. If you want to find inclusive language, maybe look at what some trans orgs have suggested.
Sexual dimorphism. Look it up, learn about it. This is not a new concept. It is well established and runs through the vast majority of animal species. Nobody can help you until you develop a desire to learn. The ball is in your court. Only you can get yourself out of this intellectual and emotional hole that you have dug yourself into.
Sex is a spectrum! Look it up!
I am quite sure I have studied the topic more deeply than you have :D
You are right, it is a spectrum. The spectrum of sex doesn't make sexual dimorphism invalid though. If you have studied this stuff very deeply at all, then you are exceptionally skilled at hiding it. Whenever anyone asks you anything in this thread, you always just instantly dive behind childish name calling and mindless insults. You have an opportunity to share your point of view here, and yet it always seems to come out as if you have no substance whatsoever. I know it's not true. You could be doing so much better.
I'm not interested in arguing with transphobes :) just here for other trans people
Words lose meaning when people use them too much. There actually are people put there that speak derogatorily of trans people. I'm not one of them. It is OK for people to have different points of view. I know you've been hurt badly, and that is not fair, it shows in nearly every comment you make. I wish those things hadn't happened to you, but I, and the others in this thread trying to help you are not the ones who hurt you. It is OK to let your guard down sometimes, snapping at everybody and instantly resorting to insults at any sign of disagreement isn't helping you at all, it is just making you a more and more bitter person. I hope some day you can find some peace.
you are arguing very strongly in a ton of comments against trans rights!! transphobe!!!
I'm not against trans people having rights. I never said anything against trans people having rights. I believe everyone should have equal rights. It amazes me that anyone would be against anyone else having equal rights. I don't understand blind hatred towards entire groups simply due to differences. I know it will fall on deaf ears, but you literally are exactly what you are claiming of me. You are behaving extremely bigotedly.
You have the power to change, and there are many people who will support you if/when you decide to approach the world in a more loving way. I think that the fact that you keep encouraging me to respond is a good sign that deep down, you truly want to be better. I'm sorry people have treated you poorly, but they only have as much power as you decide to continue giving them. You can break the chains they've put on you, you are not their slave. You are strong, and you can get out of this.
booo!!!! transphobe!!!!! bad performance!!!!! noone believes you give a shit!!! no Oscars for you!!!!