women have been systematically shut out of baseball for decades,
That's what I said.
The NBA and NFL are entirely different stories. Those are sports where brute strength is absolutely required and being huge helps a lot.
So, again, there is not a single woman who is more skilled than the least skilled player in either the NFL or the NBA? Not a single WNBA player better than the worst NBA player?
I can tell you’ve been waiting for me to say something about how men are stronger than women so you can have your gotcha moment,
Isn't that literally what you said about the NBA and the NFL?
That's what I said.
No, you didn't once say that women were systematically shut out of baseball, you said they'd face hardship and discrimination if they tried and that's why they don't bother. Not being allowed is not the same as not wanting to try.
not a single woman who is more skilled
Strength and skill are not the same things. Lia Thomas was a top ranked swimmer as a male with times that would dominate women's swimming. That's not what happened when she started competing with women though. She transitioned, lost a ton of muscle mass in the process, and her times became slower as a result. Exact same skill level (maybe even higher since she was more experienced at that point), but she's not remotely capable of competing with men anymore.
It's why I used baseball as my example of a sport where women could compete if given the opportunity. It's a far more skill based than the other major sports. Will the first woman to make it to MLB hit 500ft bombs or throw 100mph? Probably not, but that won't matter if she can strike people out or generate runs.
Isn't that literally what you said about the NBA and the NFL?
Yep, but it's not the gotcha moment that you think it is. Again, trans women are not men. Transitioning gets rid of any strength advantage they had as men.
I'm not talking about trans women. I'm talking about all women.
Cool. This whole thread is about trans women in sports. When it was brought up that women are allowed to compete with men, you argued that women wouldn't want to because of the discrimination they'd have to endure, and you seem so excited to point out that men are stronger than women when people tell you why that's bullshit. Can you see why, in a thread about trans women in sports, that comes off as you trying to have a gotcha moment about how trans women are stronger than cis women and shouldn't be able to compete with them?
Excited? Can you please tell me how you determined I was excited?
Which was it, my tone of voice or my facial expressions?
I was going by how often you responded that way. It's cool though. I'm wrong. You win. Men are better than women or whatever.
I'm pretty sure I said the exact opposite of 'men are better than women' since I was arguing that women could compete in men's sports if there wasn't such a big misogynistic psychological barrier to overcome.
Did you not read a single one of my posts?
Did you? Your nuggets of wisdom in this thread are that no one cares about women's sports, that the reason women don't try to compete with men is because they're afraid of the discrimination and abuse they'd face, and when people point out that there's a very real physical disadvantage that keeps women out of most men's sports, you drop some condescending accusatory question like "so the best woman sportball is worse than the worst man in sportball?", which, again, in a thread about trans women in sports, comes off as a gotcha question and an argument against the inclusion of trans women in women's sports.
I can see reading through your comment history now that you're clearly not the person I thought I was arguing with, but if you don't see how your comments in this thread could be taken the wrong way, I don't know how to help you.
Nuggets of wisdom? Gotcha questions?
I never claimed to be wise or trying to trap you.
Also, it's not about fear, it's about facing bigotry. There's a huge difference. Jackie Robinson was one of the bravest people in history in my opinion. I wouldn't expect anyone to have his level of bravery.
Maybe stop making silly assumptions about me. You already made the silly assumption that I wasn't even who I am.
Wouldn't it be amazing if, instead of regularly pointing an accusatory finger at me, you actually asked me questions?
Nah. You wouldn't learn anything about me by asking me.
Cool.
Like I thought, you didn't want to ask any questions or learn anything about me. You just wanted someone to talk at.
That's what I said.
So, again, there is not a single woman who is more skilled than the least skilled player in either the NFL or the NBA? Not a single WNBA player better than the worst NBA player?
Isn't that literally what you said about the NBA and the NFL?
No, you didn't once say that women were systematically shut out of baseball, you said they'd face hardship and discrimination if they tried and that's why they don't bother. Not being allowed is not the same as not wanting to try.
Strength and skill are not the same things. Lia Thomas was a top ranked swimmer as a male with times that would dominate women's swimming. That's not what happened when she started competing with women though. She transitioned, lost a ton of muscle mass in the process, and her times became slower as a result. Exact same skill level (maybe even higher since she was more experienced at that point), but she's not remotely capable of competing with men anymore.
It's why I used baseball as my example of a sport where women could compete if given the opportunity. It's a far more skill based than the other major sports. Will the first woman to make it to MLB hit 500ft bombs or throw 100mph? Probably not, but that won't matter if she can strike people out or generate runs.
Yep, but it's not the gotcha moment that you think it is. Again, trans women are not men. Transitioning gets rid of any strength advantage they had as men.
I'm not talking about trans women. I'm talking about all women.
Cool. This whole thread is about trans women in sports. When it was brought up that women are allowed to compete with men, you argued that women wouldn't want to because of the discrimination they'd have to endure, and you seem so excited to point out that men are stronger than women when people tell you why that's bullshit. Can you see why, in a thread about trans women in sports, that comes off as you trying to have a gotcha moment about how trans women are stronger than cis women and shouldn't be able to compete with them?
Excited? Can you please tell me how you determined I was excited?
Which was it, my tone of voice or my facial expressions?
I was going by how often you responded that way. It's cool though. I'm wrong. You win. Men are better than women or whatever.
I'm pretty sure I said the exact opposite of 'men are better than women' since I was arguing that women could compete in men's sports if there wasn't such a big misogynistic psychological barrier to overcome.
Did you not read a single one of my posts?
Did you? Your nuggets of wisdom in this thread are that no one cares about women's sports, that the reason women don't try to compete with men is because they're afraid of the discrimination and abuse they'd face, and when people point out that there's a very real physical disadvantage that keeps women out of most men's sports, you drop some condescending accusatory question like "so the best woman sportball is worse than the worst man in sportball?", which, again, in a thread about trans women in sports, comes off as a gotcha question and an argument against the inclusion of trans women in women's sports.
I can see reading through your comment history now that you're clearly not the person I thought I was arguing with, but if you don't see how your comments in this thread could be taken the wrong way, I don't know how to help you.
Nuggets of wisdom? Gotcha questions?
I never claimed to be wise or trying to trap you.
Also, it's not about fear, it's about facing bigotry. There's a huge difference. Jackie Robinson was one of the bravest people in history in my opinion. I wouldn't expect anyone to have his level of bravery.
Maybe stop making silly assumptions about me. You already made the silly assumption that I wasn't even who I am.
Wouldn't it be amazing if, instead of regularly pointing an accusatory finger at me, you actually asked me questions?
Nah. You wouldn't learn anything about me by asking me.
Cool.
Like I thought, you didn't want to ask any questions or learn anything about me. You just wanted someone to talk at.
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