What possible, fundamental, misunderstanding of the nature of the universe could make current academics look like flat earthers?

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None. Flat Earth is characterized by their denial of science. By performing empirical experiments then rejecting the results.

That is antithetical to the very core of science. So any scientist who is given experimental data that contradicts their theory is, should make new theories.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with saying the Earth is flat, and then thinking about the implications, and then verifying the implications match reality, and then when you get bad data you modify your hypothesis. We need creative and curious minds to challenge the status quo with new measurements data and science. It's the rejection of empirical data that is the death of science

Sounds like you're saying The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is flawed because those pesky stubborn holdouts weren't scientists.

Holding out on a belief when presented with a mountain of evidence to the contrary is definitively unscientific. What don't we call people who are unscientific about their methodologies?

I guess I would have called them "bad scientists" -- scientists who are bad at their job and hold everyone back. But still scientists.

For instance they correctly applied the scientific method in most other cases. They just were blind to or intentionally obstructive to certain things.

I try my best to be rational and apply Bayes' theorem now and then, but I am sure I am still missing some invisible monsters which will make me look arrogant or foolish in the future. I don't experiment much with software I am unfamiliar with, even if it could improve things at work. I do now and then of course, but should I allocate more time to trying new things? Yeah probably, but I don't, and my job still gets done.

I don't disagree that people can be stubborn and refuse to accept reality. This whole thread is known as Planck's Principle.

OP asked what "what possible misunderstanding of nature could make current academics look like flat earthers". I think it's implied that they're talking about a scientific consensus today which we later find to be flawed, in which case I don't think that anything would make current academics look like flat earthers. The difference is, literally no flat earther lived in such a time where the scientific consensus said the world was flat; they all became convinced of a falsehood after it was known to be a falsehood, which is orthogonal to Planck's Principle.

So I guess the answer to OP's question is: if an academic becomes convinced of a falsehood with full knowledge of an overwhelming amount of evidence to show that it is false, then they would look like a flat earther. But I don't think that's the situation they've laid out.

OK this makes sense to me now.

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If you apply the scientific method, you're a scientist. Congratulations

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