Step 2: use the extra time to build dual power and/or electoral reform.
Note: The time to build an alternative to the DNC for 2024 was no less than 4 years ago. The time to start building the coalition for 2028 starts no later than December 2024.
Note: the time to build dual power is any day you can afford the time, acumen, and experiense.
Step 3: hit snooze again.
Voting doesn't change anything. Not voting kills us.
We vote to buy time. We use that time to perform direct action.
These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
Voting doesn't change anything. Not voting kills us.
We vote to buy time. We use that time to perform direct action.
These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
This is what I've been trying to tell people, especially young lefties.
It just does not make sense to me why you would look at a broken system which gives a massive advantage to one party, see that the people trying to fix the system all belong to the other party, and arrive at the conclusion that both parties are equally at fault and the only solution is to throw your hands up in invisible protest.
It would be one thing if they just said they didn't care, but they seem to be convinced they are actually able to affect change this way.
It's like finding yourself in a fist fight and seeing your buddy just standing there laughing.
Approval voting, STAR voting, Ranked-choice voting- I don't care, just get me out of this first-past-the-pole nightmare!
Yeah I agree, arguably the proportional representation part is more important, but it's easier to start small and then repurpose your organization for bigger goals. I push for approval because:
practically anything is way better than FPTP
It requires zero voter education to implement
it can easily be adapted to any kind of winner system
A whole bunch of other stuff that gets into graphs and voting criterion and shit like that
I really dont understand americans, they are so proud of their weapons yet can't control them so theres a school-shooting every month or so. But when there is a grown-up (politician/capitalist) they suddenly dont have their guns anymore?
It seems shooting kids is easier then shooting the evil people. Not that I would ever do either...
just saying, dead people cannot maintain a broken system.
I really dont understand americans
Politicians strategically used gun rights as a wedge issue to ensure that the segment of the population with the most guns are more likely to be intensely loyal to the fascist continent of our political class. Furthermore, our law enforcement has more and even bigger guns.
"Furthermore, our law enforcement has more and even bigger guns"
yes, but guns kill people. if you manage to shoot someone in the head, say from a window/balcony in a hotel, they are dead. regardless of bigness of gun.
The people with bigger guns ought to protect the children or something.
Are you high?
depends on whos asking.
Worked sooo great the last time.
This, but unironically. Considering the fact that right-wing violence has decreased, Ukraine has remained standing, and fascist rhetoric is on the decline.
If you're dissatisfied with the results, consider engaging in the aforementioned tactics instead of yelling at people who have a plan.
This, but unironically.
WDYM, the system is still the bad-vs-worse with no path to citizen interests in sight.
consider engaging in the aforementioned tactics
I can't.
instead of yelling at people who have a plan
to fail again. But you're right, that's your country to blow.
Have you considered that complaining about Americans voting when you don't need to live with the consequences is, perhaps, not exactly good form?
Have you considered that I could be living with the consequences? USpol dysfunction has an unpleasantly wide reach across the globe.
Okay. Please describe what you course of action you're advocating for and the intended results.
The majority, including the slice that votes the lesser evil because they don't want the larger evil, realizes the current sports team rivalry is no substitute for a government, coordinates and votes independent. US gets a government representing the interests of Americans until either the lobbying mechanism gets eradicated or the government gets repurchased anew. Yes, I know, I am idealistic.
I see 3 desires and no proposed course of action. There's no plan here to make an independent vote be anything aside from a waste. There's nothing to set forth a series of events that leads to more people discarding the conceptualization of political sports teams. There's a difference between being "idealistic" and not having any plan.I am idealistic. I've told you my plan, and I believe it has the potential to bring about the results you want, so even if there's really no way for you to support my endeavor you should at least stop trying to make my task harder.
Your "plan" is to tell people in an obscure corner of the internet to rest before digging your country a deeper grave. Mine is to tell you co come to your senses in the comments. None of us offers a course of action.
Step 1: hit snooze
Step 2: use the extra time to build dual power and/or electoral reform.
Note: The time to build an alternative to the DNC for 2024 was no less than 4 years ago. The time to start building the coalition for 2028 starts no later than December 2024.
Note: the time to build dual power is any day you can afford the time, acumen, and experiense.
Step 3: hit snooze again.
Voting doesn't change anything. Not voting kills us.
We vote to buy time. We use that time to perform direct action.
These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
This is what I've been trying to tell people, especially young lefties.
It just does not make sense to me why you would look at a broken system which gives a massive advantage to one party, see that the people trying to fix the system all belong to the other party, and arrive at the conclusion that both parties are equally at fault and the only solution is to throw your hands up in invisible protest.
It would be one thing if they just said they didn't care, but they seem to be convinced they are actually able to affect change this way.
It's like finding yourself in a fist fight and seeing your buddy just standing there laughing.
We need to get ourselves some Approval Voting and some kind of proportional representation (linked is one way you can use approval in a proportional election)!
Approval voting, STAR voting, Ranked-choice voting- I don't care, just get me out of this first-past-the-pole nightmare!
Yeah I agree, arguably the proportional representation part is more important, but it's easier to start small and then repurpose your organization for bigger goals. I push for approval because:
practically anything is way better than FPTP
It requires zero voter education to implement
it can easily be adapted to any kind of winner system
A whole bunch of other stuff that gets into graphs and voting criterion and shit like that
I really dont understand americans, they are so proud of their weapons yet can't control them so theres a school-shooting every month or so. But when there is a grown-up (politician/capitalist) they suddenly dont have their guns anymore?
It seems shooting kids is easier then shooting the evil people. Not that I would ever do either...
just saying, dead people cannot maintain a broken system.
Politicians strategically used gun rights as a wedge issue to ensure that the segment of the population with the most guns are more likely to be intensely loyal to the fascist continent of our political class. Furthermore, our law enforcement has more and even bigger guns.
"Furthermore, our law enforcement has more and even bigger guns"
yes, but guns kill people. if you manage to shoot someone in the head, say from a window/balcony in a hotel, they are dead. regardless of bigness of gun.
The people with bigger guns ought to protect the children or something.
Are you high?
depends on whos asking.
Worked sooo great the last time.
This, but unironically. Considering the fact that right-wing violence has decreased, Ukraine has remained standing, and fascist rhetoric is on the decline.
If you're dissatisfied with the results, consider engaging in the aforementioned tactics instead of yelling at people who have a plan.
WDYM, the system is still the bad-vs-worse with no path to citizen interests in sight.
I can't.
to fail again. But you're right, that's your country to blow.
Have you considered that complaining about Americans voting when you don't need to live with the consequences is, perhaps, not exactly good form?
Have you considered that I could be living with the consequences? USpol dysfunction has an unpleasantly wide reach across the globe.
Okay. Please describe what you course of action you're advocating for and the intended results.
The majority, including the slice that votes the lesser evil because they don't want the larger evil, realizes the current sports team rivalry is no substitute for a government, coordinates and votes independent. US gets a government representing the interests of Americans until either the lobbying mechanism gets eradicated or the government gets repurchased anew. Yes, I know, I am idealistic.
I see 3 desires and no proposed course of action. There's no plan here to make an independent vote be anything aside from a waste. There's nothing to set forth a series of events that leads to more people discarding the conceptualization of political sports teams. There's a difference between being "idealistic" and not having any plan. I am idealistic. I've told you my plan, and I believe it has the potential to bring about the results you want, so even if there's really no way for you to support my endeavor you should at least stop trying to make my task harder.
Your "plan" is to tell people in an obscure corner of the internet to rest before digging your country a deeper grave. Mine is to tell you co come to your senses in the comments. None of us offers a course of action.