So you're basically saying that independent thought is a myth. What heinous material conditions forced you to come up with THAT turd? 🤦
I am not. I am saying that people are products of their environment. Someone raised with no concept of "Jupiter" wouldn't think about Jupiter.
^ It's like my best friend from High School who disowned me. We were always on opposite ends of the political spectrum but always met in the middle at "everything is fucked and rigged." Of COURSE he was a capitalist conservative, his Dad owned a successful construction company, but we still saw the same flaws in the system and respected/saw what the other was saying on whatever issue we discussed.
I won't say he didn't work hard or anything, he did go to college (paid for though, of course) and work a real job in his business/bookkeeping field for a while. But sure enough after a few years with his family resources and connections he started a real estate business and now I'm a filthy commie even for just utilizing VA health care (which isn't a "freebie," but a part of the agreement when you join.)
My point is, we were able to find middle ground and agree on certain things, until his privileged position allowed him to "win." Then, all of a sudden, the system is perfect and I'm just a loser who wants winners to pay for losers and if I want healthcare (or whatever) I should just get off my ass and "win." Of course the system seems flawless and superior when you have all the material conditions to just waltz in with no struggle or strife.
((Lesser point, we were friends for like 20 years from age 14-15 and I still miss my friend))
actually, "Jupiter" would not exist as a concept if not for someone raised without it inventing it in the first place.
People are influenced by their environment for sure, but not only is the environment influenced by the people too, there are also myriad other determining factors at play.
Yes, so people's environment shapes their ideas. Brains do not secrete thought like Bile.
People's environment can INFLUENCE their ideas, sure, but it doesn't DICTATE them regardless of all other factors.
And fyi sometimes Brians DO secrete, but they'll thank you not to draw attention to their embarrassing medical issue.
Where do ideas come from?
Kuurne. It's a municipality located in the Belgian province West Flanders.
So you're ultimately uninterested in arguing anything meaningful and just want to loudly and proudly flip the table, got it.
Nah, I've just realized that there's no talking you out of your delusion, so I might as well have a little fun with it 🤷
What delusion?
That all ideas stem from material conditions and no material conditions are the result of ideas.
All ideas stem from material conditions, but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.
That's the driving force of history.
It's absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.
All ideas stem from material conditions
but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.
You're FAR too fixated on matter. How old are you again? Did you recently read philosophy for the first time and it just so happened to be of a materialist nature? Because you're very much giving off that "child repeating things they don't understand" vibe.
That's the driving force of history.
Nope. It's MUCH more varied and complex than just people interacting with matter.
It's absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.
Not anymore absurd than your extreme oversimplification of the concepts of knowledge and opinion.
So you're basically saying that independent thought is a myth. What heinous material conditions forced you to come up with THAT turd? 🤦
I am not. I am saying that people are products of their environment. Someone raised with no concept of "Jupiter" wouldn't think about Jupiter.
^ It's like my best friend from High School who disowned me. We were always on opposite ends of the political spectrum but always met in the middle at "everything is fucked and rigged." Of COURSE he was a capitalist conservative, his Dad owned a successful construction company, but we still saw the same flaws in the system and respected/saw what the other was saying on whatever issue we discussed.
I won't say he didn't work hard or anything, he did go to college (paid for though, of course) and work a real job in his business/bookkeeping field for a while. But sure enough after a few years with his family resources and connections he started a real estate business and now I'm a filthy commie even for just utilizing VA health care (which isn't a "freebie," but a part of the agreement when you join.)
My point is, we were able to find middle ground and agree on certain things, until his privileged position allowed him to "win." Then, all of a sudden, the system is perfect and I'm just a loser who wants winners to pay for losers and if I want healthcare (or whatever) I should just get off my ass and "win." Of course the system seems flawless and superior when you have all the material conditions to just waltz in with no struggle or strife.
((Lesser point, we were friends for like 20 years from age 14-15 and I still miss my friend))
actually, "Jupiter" would not exist as a concept if not for someone raised without it inventing it in the first place.
People are influenced by their environment for sure, but not only is the environment influenced by the people too, there are also myriad other determining factors at play.
Yes, so people's environment shapes their ideas. Brains do not secrete thought like Bile.
People's environment can INFLUENCE their ideas, sure, but it doesn't DICTATE them regardless of all other factors.
And fyi sometimes Brians DO secrete, but they'll thank you not to draw attention to their embarrassing medical issue.
Where do ideas come from?
Kuurne. It's a municipality located in the Belgian province West Flanders.
So you're ultimately uninterested in arguing anything meaningful and just want to loudly and proudly flip the table, got it.
Nah, I've just realized that there's no talking you out of your delusion, so I might as well have a little fun with it 🤷
What delusion?
That all ideas stem from material conditions and no material conditions are the result of ideas.
All ideas stem from material conditions, but just as matter shapes humans, humans reshape matter, which reshape humans who repeat the process.
That's the driving force of history.
It's absurd to think that ideas change matter without material changes.
You're FAR too fixated on matter. How old are you again? Did you recently read philosophy for the first time and it just so happened to be of a materialist nature? Because you're very much giving off that "child repeating things they don't understand" vibe.
Nope. It's MUCH more varied and complex than just people interacting with matter.
Not anymore absurd than your extreme oversimplification of the concepts of knowledge and opinion.