I don't know about them but I don't care about 16 people on Lemmy. I care about 16 people in charge of the democrats. I want them to see they cannot hold power without the left.
I want them to see they cannot hold power without the left.
Ok, I get that, but if the Democrats don't win, who does? Obviously the Republicans right? Is that an improvement? If Republicans destroy democracy (as they have been crystal clear about), what use is sending messages relevant to electoral politics?
If we can only vote for one party then democracy is already dead. Then what's the point of voting at all?
The point of voting is not to choose the candidate that will fix everything and give up if there isn't one, it's to choose the the option that will make your life easier, even if just a little. If you want the world to be a better place, one candidate will make your job risky and dangerous by putting left wingers in prison and supporting right wing violence, the other wont. Why make your life/job harder because you're upset or frustrated? Why harm your LGBTQ comrades with your apathy?
Genocide
Trump: Yes
Biden: Yes
Make life hell for LGBTQ at home in the U.S.
Trump: Yes
Biden: No
The Democrats"fix" less and less every time we elect them. The bus isn't going towards any stops I want to take. It's going the other way, following the red line. I've tried filing complaints but they just go into the void. So I think it's time for a new bus.
So I think it’s time for a new bus.
Me too, but jumping off a running bus onto flaming mini van full idiots isn't going to help anyone.
Everything you hate about Biden is still going to be there under Trump only worse, and Trump is the only other option at this moment. You want better choices in the future, run for office, encourage people to run for office. As long as people like you are encouraging good people to forfeit electoral politics, only the worst people are going to be available as options to vote for.
We already had our chances at good people. The Democrats kept that from happening. At this point I'm really starting to believe the only choice is to back up, and protest how we elect presidents in the first place. It doesn't seem to produce a representative of the people. And the more people tell me I have to vote for Biden because of Boogeyman, the more sure I am.
At this point I’m really starting to believe the only choice is to back up, and protest how we elect presidents in the first place. It doesn’t seem to produce a representative of the people.
Again, you're right, how we elect presidents is fucked up and needs to change. Is making that change going to be easier under Trump? Because that's who's going to be president if Biden loses. Is changing how we elect presidents going to be easier when anyone willing to be an activist to accomplish it gets arrested? You think protest arrests are bad now, just wait until an actual fascist is in charge and your friends start disappearing.
People are getting arrested now. And we already dealt with people disappearing. Look up Homan Square.
The stuff you are threatening us with is already happening.
That's what I mean, a few people being disappeared in a particularly crazy summer of nationwide protests years ago is way better than it being the norm for anyone that doesn't agree with the Trump admin.
Do you not understand degrees of harm and think that since Biden isn't a perfect communist than he is no different than an full on fascist dictatorship? Do you hate you mom like Hitler if she doesn't give you Cheetos for dinner?
You didn't look up Homan Square.
I did for like two minutes, maybe I didn't find the thing you're talking about. It doesn't matter, the fact that bad shit has happened under or even due to Biden doesn't mean Trump isn't far more dangerous. It's a matter of degree (like would you rather be shot in the head or kicked in the nuts, they're both bad, not equivalent), there is no option for president that is without major concern.
I'm a trans (and Mexican) person, my choice is this:
--> Keep in mind, they both support genocide in Palestine, they both will disappear people at protests, climate change will be fixed under neither of them
Trump: Has made it clear retribution is a major theme of his next presidency should he win. His base hates me with a fiery passion and would put me in an oven without a second of thought needed. If Trump wins, the likelihood that I can retain the right to housing and employment to support myself, and not get disappeared for being who I am is virtually nil.
Biden: Has maintained and even expanded rights for LGBT people. If Biden wins, there is no direct threat to my job, housing, or life. If Biden wins, I can continue taking care of my kitties, be there for my family, work to help others, I can't help anyone or be there for anyone if I'm forced into prostitution to survive, dead, incarcerated.
I don't know about them but I don't care about 16 people on Lemmy. I care about 16 people in charge of the democrats. I want them to see they cannot hold power without the left.
Ok, I get that, but if the Democrats don't win, who does? Obviously the Republicans right? Is that an improvement? If Republicans destroy democracy (as they have been crystal clear about), what use is sending messages relevant to electoral politics?
If we can only vote for one party then democracy is already dead. Then what's the point of voting at all?
The point of voting is not to choose the candidate that will fix everything and give up if there isn't one, it's to choose the the option that will make your life easier, even if just a little. If you want the world to be a better place, one candidate will make your job risky and dangerous by putting left wingers in prison and supporting right wing violence, the other wont. Why make your life/job harder because you're upset or frustrated? Why harm your LGBTQ comrades with your apathy?
Genocide Trump: Yes Biden: Yes
Make life hell for LGBTQ at home in the U.S. Trump: Yes Biden: No
The Democrats"fix" less and less every time we elect them. The bus isn't going towards any stops I want to take. It's going the other way, following the red line. I've tried filing complaints but they just go into the void. So I think it's time for a new bus.
Me too, but jumping off a running bus onto flaming mini van full idiots isn't going to help anyone.
Everything you hate about Biden is still going to be there under Trump only worse, and Trump is the only other option at this moment. You want better choices in the future, run for office, encourage people to run for office. As long as people like you are encouraging good people to forfeit electoral politics, only the worst people are going to be available as options to vote for.
We already had our chances at good people. The Democrats kept that from happening. At this point I'm really starting to believe the only choice is to back up, and protest how we elect presidents in the first place. It doesn't seem to produce a representative of the people. And the more people tell me I have to vote for Biden because of Boogeyman, the more sure I am.
Again, you're right, how we elect presidents is fucked up and needs to change. Is making that change going to be easier under Trump? Because that's who's going to be president if Biden loses. Is changing how we elect presidents going to be easier when anyone willing to be an activist to accomplish it gets arrested? You think protest arrests are bad now, just wait until an actual fascist is in charge and your friends start disappearing.
People are getting arrested now. And we already dealt with people disappearing. Look up Homan Square.
The stuff you are threatening us with is already happening.
That's what I mean, a few people being disappeared in a particularly crazy summer of nationwide protests years ago is way better than it being the norm for anyone that doesn't agree with the Trump admin.
Do you not understand degrees of harm and think that since Biden isn't a perfect communist than he is no different than an full on fascist dictatorship? Do you hate you mom like Hitler if she doesn't give you Cheetos for dinner?
You didn't look up Homan Square.
I did for like two minutes, maybe I didn't find the thing you're talking about. It doesn't matter, the fact that bad shit has happened under or even due to Biden doesn't mean Trump isn't far more dangerous. It's a matter of degree (like would you rather be shot in the head or kicked in the nuts, they're both bad, not equivalent), there is no option for president that is without major concern.
I'm a trans (and Mexican) person, my choice is this:
--> Keep in mind, they both support genocide in Palestine, they both will disappear people at protests, climate change will be fixed under neither of them
Trump: Has made it clear retribution is a major theme of his next presidency should he win. His base hates me with a fiery passion and would put me in an oven without a second of thought needed. If Trump wins, the likelihood that I can retain the right to housing and employment to support myself, and not get disappeared for being who I am is virtually nil.
Biden: Has maintained and even expanded rights for LGBT people. If Biden wins, there is no direct threat to my job, housing, or life. If Biden wins, I can continue taking care of my kitties, be there for my family, work to help others, I can't help anyone or be there for anyone if I'm forced into prostitution to survive, dead, incarcerated.