As I have said to others- You are talking about 18 actual people vs. every time any person in the news says something homophobic. That's the problem. There are, if you were to believe what is said, no cishet homophobes. They're all secretly queer.
It's just a random list, but there have been a lot more.
The point is, nobody believes they are all gay, just that many of the fervent ones happen to be. Or at the very least they have dabbled in the acts.
Like catholic church - very anti-gay, get altar boys have been molested at a very high rate.
So while 'not all homophobes', there is certainly a trend. And I dunno, perhaps it should be investigated deeper when you push on it like that.
The point is, nobody believes they are all gay,
And yet, as I said, every single time someone says something homophobic in the media, the claim is that they're closeted.
So I think people do believe that. They may not admit they believe it, but what else can be derived from that finger pointing every single time?
People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?
It's just a coincidence, but frequent enough, to make that connection.
Same as here. And those same homophobes and fragile masculiners will sing praises about well-built male bodies. And keep almost exclusively male company.
There are people who oppose gay marriage because it works for them politically, but if their base shifted opinions, would support it 100%. But they keep it all on the down low.
People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?
Sorry, are you saying being a priest is an inherent trait?
You choose to be a priest, exactly as you choose to be openly bigoted and build your entire platform around it.
You don't choose to be queer.
And, again, every time someone says something homophobic, people claim they're secretly queer.
No one claims all pedophiles are priests, but people claim all homophobes are queer.
Would you claim all antisemites are Jews? If not, what's the difference?
Do you see a string of anti-semites discovering they are jewish?
No.
Do you see stream of homophobes caught with gay porn/orgies?
Yes, you do.
It's nothing more than that. That's the difference, and that's why people react this way.
People don't think too deeply about that. You make it seem like there is a conspiracy behind it, and that only gays can be homophobic.
I would say that everyone is a little big queer, and the more people deny it, specially going overboard, that means they are scared of it.
Why would people be scared of something so innocent? Most likely toxic masculinity or religious lies.
People don't think too deeply about their biogted beliefs all the time.
And, based on your "everyone is a little bit queer" reasoning, "everyone is a little bit disabled" with various problems so that means that anyone who is ableist and denies that and goes overboard isn't a bigot, they're a disabled person who is scared of being disabled.
Do you believe that?
Maybe you should think more deeply about such a belief rather than keep acting like that "queer people are the cause of their own oppression" is a reasonable position to hold
How is being disabled the same as being queer?
And nowhere did I say they are not bigots. They are. There are many bigots, most of which keep it to themselves.
Then there are bigoted loudmouths, who have a history of being gay.
Nothing from that even remotely suggests that queer people are the source of their own opression.
Both being disabled and being queer are inherent, immutable traits that people can claim are on a spectrum and "everyone is a little bit" either of them.
Yet somehow ableists aren't all disabled. But, according to you all homophobes are queer. So yes, that does mean that queer people are the source of their own oppression. Because only queer people are oppressing queer people by your own claim.
Did you not read my post or do you like putting words in my mouth?
I explicitly said something else than what you wrote, so have a good one and enjoy yourself, I'm out.
Did you not read my post or do you like putting words in my mouth?
I did indeed read both this and other posts.
You:
How is being disabled the same as being queer?
Me:
Both being disabled and being queer are inherent, immutable traits that people can claim are on a spectrum and “everyone is a little bit” either of them.
You earlier:
I would say that everyone is a little big queer, and the more people deny it, specially going overboard, that means they are scared of it.
Me:
But, according to you all homophobes are queer. So yes, that does mean that queer people are the source of their own oppression. Because only queer people are oppressing queer people by your own claim.
Now you:
I explicitly said something else than what you wrote,
Seems like you explicitly said what I responded to.
As I have said to others- You are talking about 18 actual people vs. every time any person in the news says something homophobic. That's the problem. There are, if you were to believe what is said, no cishet homophobes. They're all secretly queer.
It's just a random list, but there have been a lot more.
The point is, nobody believes they are all gay, just that many of the fervent ones happen to be. Or at the very least they have dabbled in the acts.
Like catholic church - very anti-gay, get altar boys have been molested at a very high rate.
So while 'not all homophobes', there is certainly a trend. And I dunno, perhaps it should be investigated deeper when you push on it like that.
And yet, as I said, every single time someone says something homophobic in the media, the claim is that they're closeted.
So I think people do believe that. They may not admit they believe it, but what else can be derived from that finger pointing every single time?
People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?
It's just a coincidence, but frequent enough, to make that connection.
Same as here. And those same homophobes and fragile masculiners will sing praises about well-built male bodies. And keep almost exclusively male company.
There are people who oppose gay marriage because it works for them politically, but if their base shifted opinions, would support it 100%. But they keep it all on the down low.
Sorry, are you saying being a priest is an inherent trait?
You choose to be a priest, exactly as you choose to be openly bigoted and build your entire platform around it.
You don't choose to be queer.
And, again, every time someone says something homophobic, people claim they're secretly queer.
No one claims all pedophiles are priests, but people claim all homophobes are queer.
Would you claim all antisemites are Jews? If not, what's the difference?
Do you see a string of anti-semites discovering they are jewish?
No.
Do you see stream of homophobes caught with gay porn/orgies?
Yes, you do.
It's nothing more than that. That's the difference, and that's why people react this way.
People don't think too deeply about that. You make it seem like there is a conspiracy behind it, and that only gays can be homophobic.
I would say that everyone is a little big queer, and the more people deny it, specially going overboard, that means they are scared of it.
Why would people be scared of something so innocent? Most likely toxic masculinity or religious lies.
People don't think too deeply about their biogted beliefs all the time.
And, based on your "everyone is a little bit queer" reasoning, "everyone is a little bit disabled" with various problems so that means that anyone who is ableist and denies that and goes overboard isn't a bigot, they're a disabled person who is scared of being disabled.
Do you believe that?
Maybe you should think more deeply about such a belief rather than keep acting like that "queer people are the cause of their own oppression" is a reasonable position to hold
How is being disabled the same as being queer?
And nowhere did I say they are not bigots. They are. There are many bigots, most of which keep it to themselves.
Then there are bigoted loudmouths, who have a history of being gay.
Nothing from that even remotely suggests that queer people are the source of their own opression.
Both being disabled and being queer are inherent, immutable traits that people can claim are on a spectrum and "everyone is a little bit" either of them.
Yet somehow ableists aren't all disabled. But, according to you all homophobes are queer. So yes, that does mean that queer people are the source of their own oppression. Because only queer people are oppressing queer people by your own claim.
Did you not read my post or do you like putting words in my mouth?
I explicitly said something else than what you wrote, so have a good one and enjoy yourself, I'm out.
I did indeed read both this and other posts.
You:
Me:
You earlier:
Me:
Now you:
Seems like you explicitly said what I responded to.