Jill Stein: 'Biden can end the Gaza war with 1 phone call'

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US presidential candidate, Jill Stein, says because of AIPAC's $100 million funding of the US election, it has become ''politically toxic' to speak out against the genocide in Gaza.

‘If we have concerns about the right to life before birth, how about a right to life after birth,’ she said in reference to Israel’s killing of innocent children and the elderly in Gaza. US President Joe Biden 'can end this war with a phone call’, she added.

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In my type of logic, “the system is broken therefore let’s reform the system by doing X Y and Z” would be more sensible, to the point that it kinda calls into question their motivations behind saying the first thing, but what do I know.

And the way to fix the system is by empowering the people that have broken it down over the years?

When the DNC took away Bernie in 2016 they destroyed the entire argument of "changing the system from the inside".

Rewind to the civil rights movement

Some black activist who is 1,000% outside the political mainstream, but wildly popular within all segments of the American populace runs for the nomination of one of the major parties, gets FORTY THREE PERCENT OF THE VOTE (and only that low because the establishment cheated its ass off)

Is the right answer:

Holy shit that was almost a RADICAL change to the system, the anti abortion people took 40 years to get their radical change enacted and all it took for this one was like a popular guy and a moderate amount of internet organizing. We can fuckin win this. This is 10 times better than EITHER grimly voting for some third party who will never get more than 2% of the vote, OR grimly voting for whoever the DNC’s favorite is even though it’s horrible. Why, I bet even the establishment candidates will take notice of that and start pursuing all these worker-focused policies once they’re in office, not that the media would take any notice of it if they did
Man fuck that let’s never try that again, or even vote at all

Sorry are you saying the guy that spent his entire life claiming the system can be changed from the inside and got blocked using dirty tactics proves your point? "moderate internet organizing" is a slight understatement here.

Let me correct you

Holy shit that was ALMOST a radical change to the system but then the Democrats sabotaged it because they would rather let Trump win than give up their duopoly.

You sound like you think he accomplished nothing because he didn't accomplish everything. Since he ran for the nomination in 2016 we have more progressives in federal office and higher youth voter turnout (meaning higher chance of electing more progressives). Change is happening. The primaries are where we need that pressure, by progressive candidates running and progressive voters showing up. There were 0.9 M Democratic primary ballots cast in Texas in 2024. That's not going to cut it to get better candidates.

We have Donald Trump about to become president because the Democrat president wants to support Genocide more than be a good president.

Change happened indeed.

So you're willing to let a man who says Israel must finish the job have authority of our military because the Democratic party presumptive nominee is merely better instead of perfect?

Ps - I am inferring that you will not vote for the Democratic nominee unless they are not Biden, so do correct if I'm wrong on that

Ps - I am inferring that you will not vote for the Democratic nominee unless they are not Biden, so do correct if I’m wrong on that

You can go back in my post history like 4 months I have already clearly stated that during the Michigan uncommitted votes. Far before now when everyone is now trying to get rid of Biden for his age which is another group of people that won't vote for Biden.

Biden has crossed a red line. And unlike Biden in Rafah, crossing a red line for someone with principles means that it's Joever. Biden had his chance to redeem himself and he decided to ignore it so surely he doesn't need those votes right?

If Democrats keep Biden in they must be very confident in all those votes he gained from supporting Genocide.

You can go back in my post history like 4 months I have already clearly stated that

I could have but it's just easier to clearly state my assumption in the present. Even if I had whose to say you hadn't changed your mind on something since then.

You acknowledge that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians, right?

You acknowledge that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians, right?

Slightly maybe? If it's at all possible to be worse than Biden.

In the long term Biden and the Democrats learning that Genocide is not a great way to campaign is far more important. Rewarding Biden guarantees he will keep doing it and nobody in the Democratic party will have any incentive to change.

Luckily for the Democrats they have a great excuse to replace Joe Biden right now because sticking with a geriatric will guarantee them the loss.

It could be a thousand times worse than what it is under Biden. I wouldn't put it past Trump to put our own troops in the fight. He's said Israel got attacked because they got soft and they need to finish the job because they're losing the PR war. Biden has delayed arms shipment in opposition to the House Republicans. So although I don't condone Biden's response to the genocide, I do feel that it will be incomparably worse for the Palestinians if Trump wins again. Even if the House flips Democratic he has the SCOTUS ruling on absolute immunity for core Constitutional functions like commanding the military.

Biden said he will defend israel if they start a war with Iran. Every threat that Trump poses is already fulfilled by Joe Biden.

Biden has not delayed anything. He just released the bombs beacuse israel was starting to run out.

Israeli Generals, Low on Munitions, Want a Truce in Gaza

followed by

Biden administration to allow paused shipment of 500-pound bombs to be sent to Israel

He postured for a bit and then got on his knees for Netanyahu. Biden is an ideological Zionist that fully supports the Genocide. He is doing everything Netanyahu tells him to. It cannot get much worse.

The reason we don't have a war with Iran is because israel knows they will get destroyed by Iranian rockets, not because they don't think Biden will back them up.