A 14-year-old boy in California allegedly used ‘multiple weapons’ to kill parents, injure sister, police say
A 14-year-old boy has been arrested after allegedly killing his parents and severely injuring his 11-year-old sister at their home in a rural community in Fresno County, California, on Wednesday, authorities say.
The suspect, who is not being identified because of his age, originally called the sheriff’s office after the double slaying and told them someone had broken into their house in Miramonte, attacked his family, and fled in a truck, Fresno County Sheriff John Zanoni said during a news conference Friday.
Detectives later noticed inconsistencies in the boy’s story, according to Zanoni.
“Evidence ultimately showed that he had fabricated the story of a break in and was responsible for using multiple weapons to attack his mom, his dad and his sister,” Zanoni said.
In Canada we have gone to extreme lengths on gun control, specific to handguns. You can take a restricted firearms course, allowing you to own handguns, and other restricted arms.
The rules go something like this. If you own a handgun, the government can come and check on you at almost any time. You must keep it locked in a safe. You must keep ammunition in a separate room. If you plan to take the handgun to the range, or anywhere outside of your home, you have to contact the government for approval and establish a timeline.
I may not be 100% accurate on those laws but that is the gist of it. The idea is to cut down on firearm related crimes.
Now answer me this. How is that cutting down on crime at all, other than punishing lawful gun owners. How many people that caused death or injury with a handgun, took a PAL course to legally buy it? My gut says little to none. Those who commit the crimes buy handguns illegally.
It may be a sort of bias, but fuck me have there been way more shootings in my locale lately. Drug and gang related but still.
The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people
I completely agree the US needs to change some things but what I'm asking is are the 1.5-2 year old laws made in Canada actually cutting down on gun violence in Canada? Because what I see first hand is no change.
The laws you’re taking about are much older and the ones you’re thinking about haven’t been made law yet.
I linked an article that shows the actual numbers but I can’t do much about how you feel.
I mean this in the most polite and conversational way possible but what you are saying is wrong.
October 21 2022 a national freeze on sale and transfer of handguns was placed. It is still in effect today unless you take a restricted firearms course.
The article you linked me does in fact show that the US has a gun violence problem, which I believe should be rectified. How? I don't know.
Your article makes no mention of handgun/restricted weapon (automatic rifles) crime statistics decreasing after 2022, which is what I am getting at.
All these laws were in place in 2019.
2022 changed some rules on buying or transferring ownership of restricted weapons.
I stand corrected by several years, but again, I don't think recent amendments 2019+ has reduced crime. Our government has taken lawful gun owners, and are trying to take their weapons away. No criminal who owned a handgun is going to go and turn in their weapon that they may use in a crime.
Edit: take a look at this link https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm
It is firearm crime statistics from 2009 to 2021. I would like to see up to 2023 but it isn't there unfortunately. I see no correlation to 2019 law amendments and decreasing crime. Except for maybe robberies. Which I would have expected to increase with COVID and unemployment. That being said perhaps there hasn't been enough time passed to reflect the law changes via statistics.
We’re talking about something entirely different then we started off taking about.
I’ll let you have this conversation by yourself.
We started off talking about whether recent Canada gun law amendments actually cut down on firearm crime. You then presented statistics about the US.
What’s the article this thread is based on?
You said US gun control won’t work because you feel Canada’s doesn’t. I showed you otherwise and you started to move goalposts.
I literally did not say that. I offered a conversation point to compare with what Canada has been doing and asked how it has cut down on crime
A lot of the laws you quoted were Canadian laws pre-2015, the article I linked was from 2019 which was to correct when you were saying previously.
Maybe familiarize yourself with the laws and when they changed, then see if you see differences because it’s hard to see what changed if you don’t know what you’re looking at.
Anyways, real world numbers from the first article I linked showed that Canada’s laws work better then the US ones.
Between 2019 and 2023 the Canadian government issued a ban on "assault style weapons" including pistols shorter than 105mm in length.
Another commenter pointed out that law was to prevent them being stolen during break and enters which makes sense, but even then I've never heard of that happening. I'm sure it does in larger cities So back to the original question of did the change of law to give your newly prohibited weapons back to the government decrease crime rates?