Biden calls for justice after footage released of police killing Black woman

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Biden calls for justice after footage released of police killing Black woman
theguardian.com

Joe Biden has called on Congress to pass the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, moments after shocking police video was released showing an Illinois officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey after she called police fearing a home intruder.

In his first public statement since dropping his bid for re-election, Biden said the shooting of Massey, a 36-year-old Black woman, by white Sangamon county sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson, in her home in Springfield, after a dispute over a pot of boiling water, “reminds us that all too often Black Americans face fears for their safety in ways many of the rest of us do not”.

Biden, who is recovering from Covid at his home in Delaware, said Massey, “a beloved mother, friend, daughter and young Black woman … should be alive today”.

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You are talking about voting. I'm already voting for them. Aren't I at least allowed to criticize them while also voting for them, or is that a bridge too far?

Democrats tried to pass the GFJPA in 2020, then again in 2021, and then Republicans took the House. All three times it was blocked by Republicans.

'Fund them with resources and training' is controversial to you?

It is when it's not paired with calls for oversight regarding how that training is used and specific results of said training.

I'm starting to sympathize with the 2A folks who are like "why more gun laws when we don't enforce the ones we have" but in a different way.

What training (using only this singular current example) would you say should be required for an officer of the law to know he shouldn't shoot a woman in the face with her hands up from 10 + feet away when he was under no threat? Do you need training to know that's wrong? Training beyond what every single person given state power to kill should receive at an absolute minimum?

All that heartache and pain, and the final net result was Biden calling for more police funding.

And before you get into your don't blame dems thing again, I routinely post the meme below for how unreasonable people are about blaming Democrats. I get it.

But you'll forgive me for being a bit cynical when I hear not a damn peep from anyone in the administration about police reform all the way from "Biden says fund the police" to "Hey it's 3 months before the election, cops killed someone again (which has happened many, many times since then), so NOW we've got these platitudes trickling out again."

I get it, here's the evergreen infographic I post over and over that makes your exact point. But damn I'd like some indication of "give a shit" other than when there's an election close by.

I'm not claiming to know what kind of training would help, just that "train them better" isn't a particularly controversial statement. I'm also not arguing against police reform, which is desperately needed. I'm simply observing that Republicans are to blame for the GFJPA repeatedly not advancing in Congress. Were there a more significant Democratic majority in Congress, their intransigence would be irrelevant and reform would have already been implemented. Voters simply didn't send that sizeable majority to DC.

I’m not claiming to know what kind of training would help, just that “train them better” isn’t a particularly controversial statement. I’m also not arguing against police reform, which is desperately needed.

It's a controversial statement when it's the closest we've been able to come to anything resembling police reform, and is frankly insultingly little after everything that has transpired around those sorts of issues. If you don't like how angry I am about it, I'm sorry to tell you that telling me not to be angry isn't going to make me less so. I'm far more pissed off now that everyone has woken up to attack me for criticizing the party I was already going to vote for because I had the gall to call it like I saw it than the mild disgruntlement I was experiencing when I made the first comment.

Fucking rise up like this to demand better from Dems, folks!

and is frankly insultingly little after everything that has transpired around those sorts of issues

Due to Republicans.

If you don’t like how angry I am about it, I’m sorry to tell you that telling me not to be angry isn’t going to make me less so.

Nobody told you not to be angry, so not sure why you're so defensive. Just be angry at the people actually keeping things from happening and the voters who keep sending them to DC, not the politicians drafting laws and trying to negotiate their passage.

I’m far more pissed off now that everyone has woken up to attack me for criticizing the party I was already going to vote for because I had the gall to call it like I saw it than the mild disgruntlement I was experiencing when I made the first comment.

Nobody "woke up" to attack you. This is a public discussion forum. Don't take everything so personally.

Fucking rise up like this to demand better from Dems, folks!

...and stop voting for Republicans.

Due to Republicans.

Republicans HAVE NOT stopped Dems from being able to message and signal around this issue to their heart's content, and try to stir up more public support. They DID NOT force Biden to boil all that down to nothing more than calling for more police funding and then shutting the fuck up about the topic until we got close to an election.

Nobody told you not to be angry, so not sure why you’re so defensive.

Because I may as well be advocating for Trump to get elected the way some folks are reacting

Don’t take everything so personally.

Possibly the oldest insult on the internet aside from asking someone if they are twelve. God forbid folks be passionate about something.

You are. I just worry about what one sided criticism might bring for us in November, and I say that while completely agreeing with you that policing reform is needed.

You are. I just worry about what one sided criticism might bring for us in November,

They could have avoided the criticism by skipping the empty platitude that triggered it. But a sincere thank you for acknowledging that it's OK to criticize them. (though I'm unsure what one-sided means in this context)