I have worked with unhoused populations in L.A. for the past 7 years and have past experience managing a housing provider agency. I currently work at a housing services agency.
The idea that the communities have "substantial resources" is laughable. It seems like there's a lot of money, but there really isn't. My agency is one of the larger agencies in L.A. and we struggle. It's not even "the heads take all the money in pay". Nah, there's just not enough money.
It's definitely not as easy as "just build more housing", though I wish it were. Even "housing first" doesnt work well enough and it even backfires quite often.
Newsom's idea of moving people along doesn't work either. That's what was happening before housing first came along and it didn't help shit.
I will say that substance use issues, physical and mental health need a lot more attention and treatment options that are available to all.
If anyone wants to discuss the issues, feel free to AMA. I'm open to suggestions that'll make my job easier.
If anyone in the L.A. area wants to help, the following link has connections to jobs at a lot of services providers in L.A. county.:
Also, when it comes to money for our agency, most of our money comes from private/corporate donors, local taxes, and the Feds. The state doesn't provide as much financial assistance to our agency.
That money also has to cover transportation (ubers/whatever) to places to obtain documentation, paying for client necessities, moving vans if needed plus the moving crew, security deposits and other move-in costs, utility setups and past due bills, damage mitigation to keep clients from being evicted..I can go on and on. There's not enough money.
What are the issues with housing first in LA? Because it's worked in other countries to great effect. I'm guessing it has something to do with the high cost to purchase the housing in LA due to their zoning laws and such? Maybe the US's lack of free mental and physical health care as well?
Sorry for the late reply, sleep and all. Just woke up so I may ramble a bit.
tl;dr: Housing first is hard because not everyone is ready or wants housing and it's more people than everyone thinks. Also, having a roof over head doesn't always help if supportive services aren't available. So you're right about the access to services.
To clarify, housing first does work in L.A. Just not to the extent that could be considered successful overall. Successful housing first depends a lot on the client. Those motivated to improve their situation tend to do well. Other successful clients are usually able to obtain some kind of steady income, such as disability or retirement. Almost all have some kind of support system outside of our services. We've housed tons of those clients, especially during and just after the pandemic.
Also, the one area where I do highly push for housing first and more housing units is with unhoused families. Those families cannot be split up, shouldn't be split up, and rightfully refuse to be split up. Unfortunately, the vast majority of new homeless housing projects are geared towards single individuals, and families will not work in those units. There are some new developments geared toward families but unfortunately there are too many unhoused families for them to make a big difference.
To the difficulties with housing first. The bulk of the remaining unhoused populations are those that are considered difficult and/or impossible to house independently. It's a larger number than people realize. The reasons vary, but the main ones are severe mental health issues and/or substance use issues.
Severe mental health issues prevent a lot of our clients from performing basic life skills so they need more supervision and assistance than is available. There is a severe lack of mental/physical health treatment options to assist these persons. Obviously we can't force people to get help, so we have to try and deal with them in whatever state they happen to be in. But they can't be permanently housed until they have some kind of stability or permanent support.
One common problem is a mental health issue mixed with violence and anger management issues.There are many who tear apart units like twisters in the Midwest due to whatever ails them. Theres been violent threats, physical violence, and other similar activities. There are some that have no desire to care for anything so once they're housed, the unit becomes a biohazard. I'm not joking. We use a biohazard cleaning company quite often. These clients tend to keep being shuffled around until they can find assistance to help with stability. Unfortunately, being shuffled around doesn't help with stability, so it's hard to get stuff done and they destroy units along the way. Due to anger, violence, and/or destruction, these clients tend to burn bridges we've built with landlords. So that keeps others from using those units. We also spend a lot more money than necessary in damage mitigation than we can really afford.
To move on to the substance use issues, many of that population refuse housing assistance for a variety of reasons related to drug use. These clients we literally can't house. Again, we are unable to force people in to housing or treatment. Unfortunately, the numbers of that population keep growing and growing thanks to excessive drug use of all kinds. We assist them, but not with housing until they ask.
There's a growing population that won't be rented to due to past evictions, credit history, criminal history (including sex offenders), etc. Until laws change, those clients won't be housed in their own unit.
There is another growing population that refuses to be housed for whatever reason. They range from what some would call lazy (there's usually deeper issues to a person than "they're just lazy") to people with deeply held beliefs against participating in modern society, such as "sovcits". We still assist them, just not with housing until they ask.
There are others that have their own reasons, but in the end, most fall into the mental health and/or substance use issues.
(I kind of cut a few things short due to length. Feel free to ask for clarification.)
Also. landlords will only take so much from our clients. If one of our clients causes so many problems that we have to relocate them to avoid eviction, it tends to burn connections to those units.
Not all landlords we work with are scum, but those that are scum are super scummy. Almost every housing program has caps on rental assistance per month and every housing voucher we can connect a client to also has a cap. Landlords that do not want our clients will price units just above the caps so they're inaccessible. Yes, a small part of the reason there are high rents in L.A. is to keep extremely low income/low income individuals out of units. (Example: generally, housing vouchers pay up to $2400/mo for a single individuals. Landlords are aware of this and will market their units at $2500. The housing authority typically will not pay over the cap, so those units are inaccessible. We have watched this happen over and over again over the last 4 years since vouchers became widespread.) Landlords that suck, really really suck.
For some transparency: We pay security deposit up to 2months rent, monthly rent (depending on the client's situation) and up to $1500 as a landlord incentive. The landlord also has access to 24 hour assistance, a direct line to case managers and supervisors, damage mitigation funds, and a few other "perks". We still have a really hard time finding landlords that will work with us. This is usually due to the general stigma against unhoused populations.
There's more I can say about housing first, but this is a long rambling comment already sorry.
Sorry for the second reply, I just want to add some more info to my other comment.
We also provide temporary shared housing ourselves. We master lease complexes to house those who are difficult or impossible to house on their own. We work with other teams and agencies to obtain housing vouchers through permanent supportive housing initiatives. Once we can connect them, they move out, and we move a new person in.
Here's a tiny bit of financial insight to our spending.
For our agency ran, master leased, shared houses, we pay around $1600/mo per unit. (A unit here is one private bedroom with private bath. The rest of the house is shared. Average of 25 units per property, all fully furnished that we also pay for) We cover all utilities - gas, water, sewer, wifi, electric - which varies from $2K - $5K+/mo. Some complexes we also provide food which costs us ~$3K/mo per property. In addition to those costs, we are responsible for all general repairs. Not counting repairs, we're paying around $46K/mo per master lease. Including repairs puts us at or over $50K.
(For some perspective, $46K is more than what one of our base level case managers make in a year.)
We also work with property owners that provide shared housing that they manage. They're willing to ignore a ton of things as long as we pay them, it's temporary, and the clients don't completely ruin the properties. For those clients, we pay up to $1500/mo plus security deposit and utilities. We also provide up to $1800 in furniture and basic necessities upon move in.
We also have clients in their own apartments that we pay for. These clients are typically the most probable for program success, meaning they have stability and regular income or are close to obtaining a voucher and have support services. We pay security deposit, up to $2400 monthly rent, a $1500 incentive fee, utility deposits plus 6 or more months of utilities, moving assistance, plus a furniture allowance. That's usually around $10K per client move in, plus monthly assistance until a voucher is obtained or the client can demonstrate full independence and the ability to cover the rent themselves.
The above data are for our program only. We have around 450 clients at any given time that we are paying something for. It gets really really expensive. Even more so you add in the other programs our agency has.
I have worked with unhoused populations in L.A. for the past 7 years and have past experience managing a housing provider agency. I currently work at a housing services agency.
The idea that the communities have "substantial resources" is laughable. It seems like there's a lot of money, but there really isn't. My agency is one of the larger agencies in L.A. and we struggle. It's not even "the heads take all the money in pay". Nah, there's just not enough money.
It's definitely not as easy as "just build more housing", though I wish it were. Even "housing first" doesnt work well enough and it even backfires quite often.
Newsom's idea of moving people along doesn't work either. That's what was happening before housing first came along and it didn't help shit.
I will say that substance use issues, physical and mental health need a lot more attention and treatment options that are available to all.
If anyone wants to discuss the issues, feel free to AMA. I'm open to suggestions that'll make my job easier.
If anyone in the L.A. area wants to help, the following link has connections to jobs at a lot of services providers in L.A. county.:
https://www.lahsa.org/jobs
Edit: left out some words
Also, when it comes to money for our agency, most of our money comes from private/corporate donors, local taxes, and the Feds. The state doesn't provide as much financial assistance to our agency.
That money also has to cover transportation (ubers/whatever) to places to obtain documentation, paying for client necessities, moving vans if needed plus the moving crew, security deposits and other move-in costs, utility setups and past due bills, damage mitigation to keep clients from being evicted..I can go on and on. There's not enough money.
What are the issues with housing first in LA? Because it's worked in other countries to great effect. I'm guessing it has something to do with the high cost to purchase the housing in LA due to their zoning laws and such? Maybe the US's lack of free mental and physical health care as well?
Sorry for the late reply, sleep and all. Just woke up so I may ramble a bit.
tl;dr: Housing first is hard because not everyone is ready or wants housing and it's more people than everyone thinks. Also, having a roof over head doesn't always help if supportive services aren't available. So you're right about the access to services.
To clarify, housing first does work in L.A. Just not to the extent that could be considered successful overall. Successful housing first depends a lot on the client. Those motivated to improve their situation tend to do well. Other successful clients are usually able to obtain some kind of steady income, such as disability or retirement. Almost all have some kind of support system outside of our services. We've housed tons of those clients, especially during and just after the pandemic.
Also, the one area where I do highly push for housing first and more housing units is with unhoused families. Those families cannot be split up, shouldn't be split up, and rightfully refuse to be split up. Unfortunately, the vast majority of new homeless housing projects are geared towards single individuals, and families will not work in those units. There are some new developments geared toward families but unfortunately there are too many unhoused families for them to make a big difference.
To the difficulties with housing first. The bulk of the remaining unhoused populations are those that are considered difficult and/or impossible to house independently. It's a larger number than people realize. The reasons vary, but the main ones are severe mental health issues and/or substance use issues.
Severe mental health issues prevent a lot of our clients from performing basic life skills so they need more supervision and assistance than is available. There is a severe lack of mental/physical health treatment options to assist these persons. Obviously we can't force people to get help, so we have to try and deal with them in whatever state they happen to be in. But they can't be permanently housed until they have some kind of stability or permanent support.
One common problem is a mental health issue mixed with violence and anger management issues.There are many who tear apart units like twisters in the Midwest due to whatever ails them. Theres been violent threats, physical violence, and other similar activities. There are some that have no desire to care for anything so once they're housed, the unit becomes a biohazard. I'm not joking. We use a biohazard cleaning company quite often. These clients tend to keep being shuffled around until they can find assistance to help with stability. Unfortunately, being shuffled around doesn't help with stability, so it's hard to get stuff done and they destroy units along the way. Due to anger, violence, and/or destruction, these clients tend to burn bridges we've built with landlords. So that keeps others from using those units. We also spend a lot more money than necessary in damage mitigation than we can really afford.
To move on to the substance use issues, many of that population refuse housing assistance for a variety of reasons related to drug use. These clients we literally can't house. Again, we are unable to force people in to housing or treatment. Unfortunately, the numbers of that population keep growing and growing thanks to excessive drug use of all kinds. We assist them, but not with housing until they ask.
There's a growing population that won't be rented to due to past evictions, credit history, criminal history (including sex offenders), etc. Until laws change, those clients won't be housed in their own unit.
There is another growing population that refuses to be housed for whatever reason. They range from what some would call lazy (there's usually deeper issues to a person than "they're just lazy") to people with deeply held beliefs against participating in modern society, such as "sovcits". We still assist them, just not with housing until they ask.
There are others that have their own reasons, but in the end, most fall into the mental health and/or substance use issues.
(I kind of cut a few things short due to length. Feel free to ask for clarification.)
Also. landlords will only take so much from our clients. If one of our clients causes so many problems that we have to relocate them to avoid eviction, it tends to burn connections to those units.
Not all landlords we work with are scum, but those that are scum are super scummy. Almost every housing program has caps on rental assistance per month and every housing voucher we can connect a client to also has a cap. Landlords that do not want our clients will price units just above the caps so they're inaccessible. Yes, a small part of the reason there are high rents in L.A. is to keep extremely low income/low income individuals out of units. (Example: generally, housing vouchers pay up to $2400/mo for a single individuals. Landlords are aware of this and will market their units at $2500. The housing authority typically will not pay over the cap, so those units are inaccessible. We have watched this happen over and over again over the last 4 years since vouchers became widespread.) Landlords that suck, really really suck.
For some transparency: We pay security deposit up to 2months rent, monthly rent (depending on the client's situation) and up to $1500 as a landlord incentive. The landlord also has access to 24 hour assistance, a direct line to case managers and supervisors, damage mitigation funds, and a few other "perks". We still have a really hard time finding landlords that will work with us. This is usually due to the general stigma against unhoused populations.
There's more I can say about housing first, but this is a long rambling comment already sorry.
Sorry for the second reply, I just want to add some more info to my other comment.
We also provide temporary shared housing ourselves. We master lease complexes to house those who are difficult or impossible to house on their own. We work with other teams and agencies to obtain housing vouchers through permanent supportive housing initiatives. Once we can connect them, they move out, and we move a new person in.
Here's a tiny bit of financial insight to our spending.
For our agency ran, master leased, shared houses, we pay around $1600/mo per unit. (A unit here is one private bedroom with private bath. The rest of the house is shared. Average of 25 units per property, all fully furnished that we also pay for) We cover all utilities - gas, water, sewer, wifi, electric - which varies from $2K - $5K+/mo. Some complexes we also provide food which costs us ~$3K/mo per property. In addition to those costs, we are responsible for all general repairs. Not counting repairs, we're paying around $46K/mo per master lease. Including repairs puts us at or over $50K.
(For some perspective, $46K is more than what one of our base level case managers make in a year.)
We also work with property owners that provide shared housing that they manage. They're willing to ignore a ton of things as long as we pay them, it's temporary, and the clients don't completely ruin the properties. For those clients, we pay up to $1500/mo plus security deposit and utilities. We also provide up to $1800 in furniture and basic necessities upon move in.
We also have clients in their own apartments that we pay for. These clients are typically the most probable for program success, meaning they have stability and regular income or are close to obtaining a voucher and have support services. We pay security deposit, up to $2400 monthly rent, a $1500 incentive fee, utility deposits plus 6 or more months of utilities, moving assistance, plus a furniture allowance. That's usually around $10K per client move in, plus monthly assistance until a voucher is obtained or the client can demonstrate full independence and the ability to cover the rent themselves.
The above data are for our program only. We have around 450 clients at any given time that we are paying something for. It gets really really expensive. Even more so you add in the other programs our agency has.