"Biden supporters had biases that prevented them see the big picture."
Ok, what biases?
"Anchoring bias, blah, blah"
That's like saying "there are many reasons why that engine doesn't fit for that car" and then when someone asks you "what reason?" you reply "a technical reason, a mechanical stress reason, an electrical failure reason," ok, but GIVE ME SOMETHING CONCRETE. Is that red cable sticking out of the engine too thin and it risks catching fire?
Ok, name ONE example bias that you can say it is "anchoring bias" in this case.
That's all I want, man.
"Democrats have a Status Quo bias because they do this and they do that."
This is the part that is confusing:
"Biden supporters had biases that prevented them see the big picture."
Ok, what biases?
I already tried listing all possible biases that might be involved in the misconception and you complained about a lack of specificity.
That's like saying "there are many reasons why that engine doesn't fit for that car" and then when someone asks you "what reason?" you reply "a technical reason, a mechanical stress reason, an electrical failure reason," ok, but GIVE ME SOMETHING.
Oh, I think I understand now. You don't want to think about Biden supporters as a generalized class who might take any number of different routes to reach the same wrong conclusion, you just want me to explain how psychological bias works.
Ok, name ONE example bias that you can say it is "anchoring bias" in this case.
That's all I want, man.
Fine. Anchoring bias occurs when an individuals' judgements or decisions are influenced by a reference point that may be entirely unrelated to the question at hand.
For example, people who took "Biden is the most progressive president ever" as a reference for their judgement that he shouldn't step down from the race. Regardless of the truth-value of the statement, the reference point was entirely immaterial to the actual question, whether or not another candidate would have improved the partys' chances in the election, because it tells us nothing about how Biden compared with his electoral competition.
Thus, persons who relied on this anchor to justify their opposition to Biden dropping out did so for fallacious reasons, and an honest reckoning with this might have led them to an opinion which more accurately reflected reality.
Thanks, man. Yes, I think we were referring to two similar things, but definitely not the same.
When you said biases, you were referring to clinical, psychological ones, just like you said.
When I said biases, I was referring to those based on interests or an individual's experience. For example, a person might say that she has a bias for black kittens when trying to pick up on at the rescue shelter, because she grew up with one (you probably mentioned that kind of bias in the big list you shared - I just don't know how it's called.)
And I agree with you. Some people thought that Biden "is the most progressive president ever," or held other equally fallacious statements.
Particularly, my "bias," if we can call it that way, is that, at least up until the moment Biden bowed down, the Republicans seemed like a very unified party, whereas the Democrats didn't know what to do with themselves, and they didn't seem to be as unified. For example, Hillary Clinton (in sprite of winning the popular vote) didn't win enough votes because some party members protested by not voting. No unity whatsoever. And my bias, or fear, was that if Biden bowed down, the party would be like little ants scattering around - giving Trump the win.
Thankfully that was not the case in the end, and I happily stand corrected.
Anyway. Thanks. Nice discussion.
Indeed, it's always nice when folks stick around long enough to really understand the weirdness that is an ADHD/Autistic person's idea of a realistic perspective on politics.
It doesn't seem to matter how accurate my models are, most folks (regardless of their politics) just want to hear their own opinions reflected back at them. And I get it, it's frustrating when reality contradicts the assumptions one has held as the truth, but I've never been able to understand how folks can get so emotionally invested in an idea of how the world works that they take personal offense to the existence of contradictory evidence. XD
It's really hard to admit when one's world view is not what it seems. I've been there, and at the beginning it was hard to do. But it gets easier with time. Enlightening, even.
I will debate you to death if I am truly convinced that I am right. But if you prove me wrong, for me that's an awesome moment, and I'll feel like I learn something truly new.
This is the part that is confusing:
"Biden supporters had biases that prevented them see the big picture."
Ok, what biases?
"Anchoring bias, blah, blah"
That's like saying "there are many reasons why that engine doesn't fit for that car" and then when someone asks you "what reason?" you reply "a technical reason, a mechanical stress reason, an electrical failure reason," ok, but GIVE ME SOMETHING CONCRETE. Is that red cable sticking out of the engine too thin and it risks catching fire?
Ok, name ONE example bias that you can say it is "anchoring bias" in this case.
That's all I want, man.
"Democrats have a Status Quo bias because they do this and they do that."
I already tried listing all possible biases that might be involved in the misconception and you complained about a lack of specificity.
Oh, I think I understand now. You don't want to think about Biden supporters as a generalized class who might take any number of different routes to reach the same wrong conclusion, you just want me to explain how psychological bias works.
Fine. Anchoring bias occurs when an individuals' judgements or decisions are influenced by a reference point that may be entirely unrelated to the question at hand.
For example, people who took "Biden is the most progressive president ever" as a reference for their judgement that he shouldn't step down from the race. Regardless of the truth-value of the statement, the reference point was entirely immaterial to the actual question, whether or not another candidate would have improved the partys' chances in the election, because it tells us nothing about how Biden compared with his electoral competition.
Thus, persons who relied on this anchor to justify their opposition to Biden dropping out did so for fallacious reasons, and an honest reckoning with this might have led them to an opinion which more accurately reflected reality.
Thanks, man. Yes, I think we were referring to two similar things, but definitely not the same.
When you said biases, you were referring to clinical, psychological ones, just like you said.
When I said biases, I was referring to those based on interests or an individual's experience. For example, a person might say that she has a bias for black kittens when trying to pick up on at the rescue shelter, because she grew up with one (you probably mentioned that kind of bias in the big list you shared - I just don't know how it's called.)
And I agree with you. Some people thought that Biden "is the most progressive president ever," or held other equally fallacious statements.
Particularly, my "bias," if we can call it that way, is that, at least up until the moment Biden bowed down, the Republicans seemed like a very unified party, whereas the Democrats didn't know what to do with themselves, and they didn't seem to be as unified. For example, Hillary Clinton (in sprite of winning the popular vote) didn't win enough votes because some party members protested by not voting. No unity whatsoever. And my bias, or fear, was that if Biden bowed down, the party would be like little ants scattering around - giving Trump the win.
Thankfully that was not the case in the end, and I happily stand corrected.
Anyway. Thanks. Nice discussion.
Indeed, it's always nice when folks stick around long enough to really understand the weirdness that is an ADHD/Autistic person's idea of a realistic perspective on politics.
It doesn't seem to matter how accurate my models are, most folks (regardless of their politics) just want to hear their own opinions reflected back at them. And I get it, it's frustrating when reality contradicts the assumptions one has held as the truth, but I've never been able to understand how folks can get so emotionally invested in an idea of how the world works that they take personal offense to the existence of contradictory evidence. XD
It's really hard to admit when one's world view is not what it seems. I've been there, and at the beginning it was hard to do. But it gets easier with time. Enlightening, even.
I will debate you to death if I am truly convinced that I am right. But if you prove me wrong, for me that's an awesome moment, and I'll feel like I learn something truly new.