Dutch beach volleyball player convicted of rape is booed again, louder, in second match of Olympics
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Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl, won his second match at the Paris Olympics and received an even harsher reaction from the crowd on Wednesday than for his first match.
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First of all, that also has nothing to do with people needing to know the entirety of a system of laws if they are expected to be randomly selected to adjudicate.
Secondly, when are you going to take it into your own hands?
I didn’t say randomly selected, I said selected with some kind of fair and democratic process. Random selection I wouldn’t really personally feel is a good idea.
You’re still not engaging with my core point, you’re trying to pick holes. Forget everything you think that a “system of laws” has to be. Scrap it all. It doesn’t need to be complex or overbearing. It can be relatively simple. It doesn’t need people arguing over the specific wording of legal codes written in impenetrable legalese.
The intent is to have a system that is fair, equitable and just. Most laws can be replaced with the golden rules and the adjudication can be a matter of, “in this fair, or not fair? how can we resolve this matter fairly?” and deciding that with consensus in a way that does not itself break the golden rules.
It depends. The sooner that people like you realise that it’s our only chance, the sooner we can all take action. That’s why I’m taking the time to explain this. We need to work together. The few of us who already understand these ideas aren’t yet enough to make this happen.
A fair and democratic process requires a whole bunch of laws to ensure that process is, in fact, fair and democratic, so...
Keep chipping away at that mind prison. You’ll find a way out eventually. Have a great night!
Yes, it's a 'mind prison' to suggest that you can't have a fair and democratic election without laws to ensure that the election is fair and democratic.
By the way, I should point out that judges are elected in much of the U.S. Which is what you were advocating for anyway.
You are living your entire life in a cardboard box, saying “The walls must always be brown. The walls have always been brown. What colour would you make the walls?” and when I explain that there wont be walls, you declare, “nonsense! without walls, how would the roof be held up?” and when I say there wouldn’t be a roof either, you say “ah, but without a roof, you wouldn’t be able to know whether you’re looking up or down!”
Cool. You still can't have a fair election without election laws to ensure that.
Believe it or not, people are not all naturally honest and honorable.
You’re going in circles. I have never used the term “election”, nor have I said that there can be no rules. I have said repeatedly that rules would exist - just that they could be simple.
I absolutely believe that people aren’t honest and honourable. That’s why I have been talking about consensus decisionmaking and abolishing power structures. I fully believe that power corrupts and therefore all unnecessary structures and hierarchies must be abolished. That includes money. Governments. Countries. States. Courts. The police. The whole lot has to go. It is the only way for a fair and equal society.
And you’re out here talking about how US judges are elected, fucking lol.
You said they would be democratically elected. That requires an election. So give me these simple election rules please.
Yeah, go ahead and quote where I wrote the phrase “democratically elected”. I know my own ideology better than you do.
This is what you said:
If you didn't mean an election, what did you mean? What is a democratic process that doesn't involve a vote?
Yes, correct. Plurality or majority voting, which is how we usually talk about elections, necessarily imposes the will of a majority upon minorities, and is thus not democratic.
Again, I’m not saying I have all the answers here - acting like I know best, better than everyone else, is itself not democratic. My position is, and always has been, that we need to get together and collectively determine the answers to these questions through consensus.
All I can share with you are some of my own ideas, which aren’t anywhere near as inclusive as I would like. I try to consider other people as best I can, and I try to think of as many bases to cover as I can, but I am imperfect and I acknowledge that.
But ultimately the answer to your question is generally going to be consensus-building and involving all concerned people in the decision making process, in some way.
Please answer the question: what is a democratic process that doesn’t involve a vote?