Biden 'not confident' of peaceful transition if Trump loses
bbc.com
US President Joe Biden has said he is not confident there will be a peaceful transition of power if Donald Trump loses the presidential election in November.
"[Trump] means what he says, we don’t take him seriously. He means it, all this stuff about ‘if we lose it will be a bloodbath’.”
Mr Trump’s comment that it would “be a bloodbath for the country” if he loses the election, made as he was talking about the auto industry in March, triggered a wave of criticism.
The Trump campaign, however, said the comment was specifically about the auto industry and had been deliberately taken out of context. It sent a fundraising email which said Trump’s political opponents and others had been "viciously" misquoting him.
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But the opposite if FPTP is using a representative set. Like if youre american you must see that “constantly pushing for centrism” only pushes you rightward when Republicans push so hard for their policies
That's the whole point of people wanting ranked choice, then they can make their voice heard by voting for more progressive candidates while not having to worry that they're voting for someone who can't win and are therefore technically supporting the party they don't want to win. The more votes third party candidates get, the more seriously they get taken even if they don't win. You can't do that with a two party system.
All the people who you're worried about voting for the "crazies" are already voting for the crazies, you're not going to get current moderates or progressives all of a sudden voting for the crazies because there are more options of crazy so I'm not sure what you're worried about.
Except even in progressive spaces you can easily flood the zone with trash and hand-wave it away on proportion. Y’all keep wishing for your demise, this is what the left does after all
Your initial misunderstanding is that you're only thinking within the acceptable terms. Two things I think you might want to consider.
First you've alluded to it multiple times which is the Overton Window. Which is shifting, but not only to the right in American politics. If you read the links I posted earlier, political violence in America is becoming more acceptable to the left as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
The other is that there is such a thing as manufactured consent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
You've also referenced that there's lobbying and wealthy interest that gain undue power in a political system through what amounts to corruption but is called lobbying and regulatory capture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
The best bet to defeat all of these. Believe it or not is ranked choice voting. Be prepared though, what follows is a special interest fire hose.
A primer on what it could start as in the US https://www.npr.org/2023/12/13/1214199019/ranked-choice-voting-explainer
How it can make lasting change https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/12/politics/ranked-choice-voting-ctzn/index.html
How it leads to more moderate candidates https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-08-02/ranked-choice-voting-can-result-in-more-moderate-candidates
And finally if you have the bandwidth for it a very wonky deep dive into plurality politics and their historical outcomes, and how the wealthy often fight them. https://brill.com/view/journals/copr/14/4/article-p416_416.xml
More moderate candidates in an a cesspool just gives you garbage. Lmfao “the left is pushing the overton window and wants violence” is some tripe. Trump was shot by a Republican. It sounds like youre a propagandized American that grew up in neoliberal hellscape. Why should anyone believe the rest. You’re not worth the price of the bytes on disk. “Manufacturing consent”, like Kamala, right? Like Bush, right? Man I don’t know what point you make, you just use buzzwords and say that proves a point. Wrap yourself in your fantastical solutions that will continue to lock yourself in the hellscape without actually solving anything. Whatever.
You've been here only 3 days and already are so defensive. I've decided that you're willfully ignorant, unwilling to read sources, and are unable to post supporting sources for your points.
I hope you heal your ego and reconsider your position. Have a calmer night. I'm not going to engage further with you about this as you are not able to support your argument or consider a viewpoint outside of your own. I don't want to contribute to the divisiveness of the situation, no matter how much I shit post here. I think this might be of interest to you. I'll give you some sources for the United States, since you as a Canadian have such a strong rigid opinion on our politics.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-tech-platforms-fuel-u-s-political-polarization-and-what-government-can-do-about-it/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-social-media-makes-us-more-polarized-and-how-to-fix-it/
It’s hilarious that you consider the shit you’ve posted as “sources” as most of this is bottom-barrel definitions. There were some actual sources regarding implementation, which are interesting, but I see no gain in opening up a system that is already incredibly abused. Everyone always skips the whole “getting money out of politics” angle, and somehow believe this system will rid them of that.
I'm lost, you can read my responses but not my sources.... I think it might be reading comprehension and not literacy that is your problem.
As per NPR, my point:
But in practice, research has found that the voters who actually take advantage of the ranking opportunities tend to be white voters, and affluent voters with more education.
"So it's kind of continuing and appearing to multiply the disparities in our current democracy," Jacobs said. "We need to be clear when we say 'democracy' that we mean a system in which there is equal participation."
Andrea Benjamin, an expert on race and voting behavior at the University of Oklahoma, agrees. She's optimistic about the potential of ranked choice voting to improve representation in the U.S., but at the end of the day, any real transformative change to the political system will only come from higher voter turnout. You can change vote-tallying methods all you want, she said, but it's still just a snapshot of the most motivated sliver of the population.
Would you like me to continue to read your sources, and point out how this is just some gimmick that they’ll abuse just as easily? “In theory”… I mean in theory Donald Trump should be executed for high crimes against the USA. Those documents he stole, the bribes, dude didn’t even sell his company. It’s ridiculous. And you say that’s wanting violence? In theory, I just want the law upheld. But in practice…
That's a good start, now follow up with the rest of the context of the many links I posted.
Also I'm curious you haven't answered any of my question about why your account is only 3 days old and have such a strong opinion on American politics.
I dont' know who's doing it but please stop down voting @glizzard@lemmy.ca . You're only hiding the slow progress they're making.
I don’t need your introductions to ranked voting. I can see the point. But bot when all the other shit exists, too. There’s an order to this shit, and giving extra levers to those that don’t want democracy isn’t helpful either
I think you might, because you're parroting the point of the very people you're saying are "poisoning the pool "as you say.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/us/ranked-choice-voting-elections.html
And again, here you can read this one in private. I won't tell anyone.
https://triblive.com/opinion/tyler-cowen-want-more-moderate-candidates-demand-ranked-choice-voting/
I literally do not want more moderate candidates. Do you not see that is my point? If you push towards moderation when the average is slewed towards “anarcho-capitalism”, you’re going to keep pushing that direction.
So Trump, that's a moderate candidate? That's what FPTP has gotten us.
You also don't understand the Overton Window as it's a general trend. Also how it's a product of a binary choice that's referenced by Duverger's Law. I've literally laid out my whole political theory in support of Pluralistic Democracy and how the fastest way for America to get there is RCV.
Your response to all of this is that links are hard and you've only directly responded to a cherry picked comment from a political scientist that was cautious about saying RCV will definitely cure America's electoral problems.
Again, you would be better served to look at any of the materials I've provided you.
No, that’s what the Electoral College got you. Not FPTP. That’d be Hillary. She won the majority, was first past the post. But in America, you use FPTP and take all the posts and count them differently.
You’re totally misconstruing “the overton window”, jesus christ. My point, is that there is no point in implementing some RC system when only the Democrats and Republicans exist in an ecosystem where companies and people can openly purchase politicians.
All of these ideas make sense on paper, because they all assume the electoral system isn’t completely infected with money. This would simply add another layer to make it harder to remove it. You have to remove the money first, then complicate the system.
I can only see this via the Republican party being completely decimated, and replaced by a contingent of 3-5 parties splitting from the Democrat ticket after they secure enough of a majority to fix the constitution. If they cant do that, it should never happen
I only downvoted like once or twice, and they were times they were legitimately useless. Hilarious you’d call it out when you’re clearly downvoting my content immediately.
Because I just joined this website. Because it has content now, that’s generally up to date. It’s a crime, mr officer, to be a young account and be disagreeable.
I'm not downvoting you, and I didn't say anything about you downvoting me.
No I'm suspicious of young accounts that have such strong opinions on countries they don't live in.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57558028
https://theconversation.com/political-trolls-adapt-create-material-to-deceive-and-confuse-the-public-135177
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-01-13-social-media-manipulation-political-actors-industrial-scale-problem-oxford-report
I'm sure you can understand why
Okay mister “random letters that can’t accept a differing opinion and replies with random shitty links to make his point look better”, I definitely understand
Satire as progress, is this more of the nuanced take that is supposed to sway me away from pluralistic democracy?
I’m literally just saying that pushing for Ranked Choice voting in a hyper-capitalist, hyper-lobbied environment like America would simply reinforce the goals of neo-liberals. Unless you’re posting all of this in irony? Because you’re the botnet? And that’s why you have to call lit the downvotes? Like why even invoke that? Because youre a bot?