Israel Accused of Running “Torture Camps” as Video Emerges of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner

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Israel Accused of Running “Torture Camps” as Video Emerges of Soldiers Raping Palestinian Prisoner
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The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has published a major new report documenting how the Israeli prison system has become “a network of torture camps,” where physical, psychological and sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners is normalized and routine.

The report, titled “Welcome to Hell,” collects the testimony of 55 Palestinians who were detained by Israeli authorities since October 7 and later released, almost all without charges. This comes as a group of U.N. experts condemned the widespread torture of Palestinians and as Israel’s Channel 12 News aired shocking footage of Israeli soldiers sexually abusing a prisoner at the Sde Teiman army base, where thousands of detainees from Gaza are held.

Sarit Michaeli, the international advocacy lead for B’Tselem, says the abuse in Israeli prisons is “systemic, ongoing and state-sanctioned,” reflecting the cruelty and thirst for revenge among a growing number of Israelis. “They would like to have a completely open field in terms of what they can do to Palestinians,” says Michaeli.

You can find the full report of testimonies here

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Have you actually read the corresponding section in Chapter 1. Quote:

Kimura said he decided to visit Africa because “the African continent is still seen in the same way as the colonial period ... As a first step, Japan should show the right attitude from an international moral standpoint.” But he also states that another aim of the visit was to soften the criticism of Japan from other African countries for actively trading with South Africa, a racist country at the time.

Have you any idea how many countries traded with South Africa at that time? Not exactly the same thing but here's a map of SA's diplomatic ties 1974. Plenty of African states, say Madagascar or the Congo, were happy to take South African money. What does anything of that have to do with the status of Zainichi a whole 50 years later?

Yes I read it all. It shows a pattern for Japan which openly embraces apartheid up to recent times. They support that crap. Just like the congo did. In fact the congo like Japan was also an apartheid during those relations.

Circling all the way back to the beginning: If they currently support that crap, why did Abe get slammed for proposing Apartheid?

It really does seem like you have made up your mind about the Japanese and are trying very hard to scrape together whimsy excuses for your bigotry.

...and seriously. Congo. As in back then still named Zaire. Did I miss something was Mobutu white or something. Are you just making shit up.

Dude there are japanese authors who embrace apartheid not just abe. South Africa is tired of Japanese shit.

Are you just making shit up.

I'm not making anything up. I haven't made a single thing up. You just don't give a single shit.

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The Japanese government has overtly and covertly tried to distance itself from Sono

Also, again, Abe:

One possible reason the Japanese mainstream media is reluctant to criticize Sono and the Sankei newspaper is due to the fact that Prime Minister Abe makes it a habit to regularly wine and dine the top executives of Japan’s media groups, often at the same time—usually before major political announcements or decisions—creating a cozy relationship that makes criticizing him or those close to him particularly awkward or difficult in Japanese culture.

Politics in Japan are strange, they're a proper democracy but also de facto a one-party state. Abe is dead, in more than one way.

And I mean -- this is what you have? Random people say stuff and you elevate it to state policy and social sentiment? Then, I guess, all Canadians want first nation people in boarding schools, all Germans want to ethnically cleanse the country of immigrant blood, all French want to re-colonise Algeria, all Koreans want state-mandated girlfriends, the list is fucking endless.

This is not random people, that was a top advisors of the country.

One possible reason the Japanese mainstream media is reluctant to criticize...

However you justify it and make jokes. Don't forget they also did kill 600k Koreans then pretty much enslave them for cheap labor. Waaaay more than Israel killed Hamas-Palestinians and civilian casualties.

Several well-publicized examples of hate speech targeting these Korean ethnic schools have been recorded. In December 2009, January 2010, and March 2010, anti-Korean activists staged three demonstrations chanting abusive slogans, such as “children of spies,” via loudspeakers against a Korean primary school in Kyoto. They claimed that the school illegally used a nearby park as a playground for more than fifty years. The school did in fact use the park, but with permission from Kyoto City and the local residents’ association. After the rallies, the ultra-rightists uploaded videos of the demonstrations online. Since the demonstrations and the social media posting of the incidents severely traumatized the students, teachers, and parents, the school filed a lawsuit in 2010. The lower court ruled in its favor.

Random people say stuff and you elevate it to state policy and social sentiment?

Such a nice social sentiment /s

the school filed a lawsuit in 2010. The lower court ruled in its favor.

Are you reading what you're quoting? Why, if Japan is an Apartheid state, are courts siding with the Zainichi?

Don’t forget they also did kill 600k Koreans then pretty much enslave them for cheap labor. Waaaay more than Israel killed Hamas-Palestinians and civilian casualties.

First off: History, or is Japan currently killing Koreans? Secondly, there were about 30m Korans in 1950 (North and South), but only 1.4m Palestinians. More than half of which were driven out of the country, by threat of settler violence, during the Nakhba.

Then, WTF is "Hamas-Palestinians" supposed to mean. I'm asking because you seem to be busy trivialising Israeli crimes while simultaneously exhibiting a clear pattern of group-focussed enmity, are you a Kahanite?

You were talking about Japan's social sentiment of the zainichi. So I pointed to the year long hate speech protests they conducted toward school children

More than half of which were driven out of the country, by threat of settler violence, during the Nakhba.

It is completely false. They left because their Arab allies warned them to leave as they were going to invade Israel. Which they did.

What really happened is the first Jewish immigrants(just 100 people in 1890 known as Rishon LeZion) faced harsh conditions. Trouble farming their barren land, starving and trouble getting water to their settlement. All while starving and trying to live the Arab marauders would pillaged their settlement. There was no displacement or made up nakhba.

When the blood-curdling battle cry exhorting the masses to slaughter the Jews, “Itbach al-Yahud,” was first shouted on April 4, 1920, by Arab marauders rampaging through the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City, it was accompanied by another mantra: “A-Dawla ma’ana” – the government is with us.That was the first brazen reverberation of the trust that Jews can be attacked with impunity, that no deterrence exists. It was since oft-chanted during the perpetration of other atrocities during the British Mandate era masterminded by Haj Amin el- Husseini, most notably the hideous Hebron massacre of 1929.

That sentiment has always been the same to " Itbach al-Yahud " even nearly 100 years later with Hamas.

Then, WTF is "Hamas-Palestinians"

Damn, you really are dumber than I thought. Looool.

So I pointed to the year long hate speech protests they conducted toward school children

Who is "they"? You might want to go back and read that article.


As to the rest... yeah even if you don't identify as Kahanite you're still spouting the same myths. You're the kind of guy at those kind of hate speech protests, desperately trying to find a place in the world that you can pretend is doing worse, so you can absolve yourself of your own bigotry. Pointing fingers, the favourite sport of the self-righteous. Remember: If you point your finger at someone else, three are pointing back at you. Try it, it's really true.

Who is "they"? You might want to go back and read that article.

...? The Japanese anti Korea public? The Japanese public who let the protests continue for a whole year?

you're still spouting the same myths.

What myths? For someone who has carried on for 3 days it's weird you stop here.

There is literally nothing you have said to the treatment of the first settlers in 1890. They didn't displace anyone. It was just 100 people settling surrounded by what? 100K people? And that's the way they were treated? Left to starve and their village pillaged? Okay buddy. You say Rishon LeZion is a myth? That they had to go to France just to get a well made because those jew haters couldn't help them is a myth?

The Japanese public who let the protests continue for a whole year?

They are Uyoku dantai. Expanding that to the sole population is like calling all Israelis Kahanites, all white Americans KKK while calling all black Americans Nation of Islam, etc.

You say Rishon LeZion is a myth?

You were talking about 1920. That's Battle of Tel Hai and the Nebi Musa riots.

But there was much more than the Arab misinterpretation of our Western-minded moderation

Oh, Jerusalem Post. I suppose Igrun is supposed to be "moderate", eh. I suppose the League of Nations mandate essentially telling Arabs "yep we're going to turn this into a Jewish majority country you don't get a say and we'll back it up with British guns" was moderate. It indeed then was unsarcastically moderate of the Brits to limit Jewish immigration as things became hot -- to which the likes of Igrun responded with terror attacks not just on Arabs, but also the Brits, because I mean how dare they care about public order. Everything is very moderate here. All were hippies who just wanted to live in peace, yes. Nothing to see here, the State of Israel had a virgin birth, wrapped in innocence.

Expanding that to the sole population is like calling all Israelis Kahanites, ...

You did just call me that. I don't know what it means.

You were talking about 1920. That's Battle of Tel Hai and the Nebi Musa riots.

1920 is 30 years after the first settlement. I believe the first settlement were hippies who wanted to live in peace. A lot of them had just moved there from a crazy situation in Russia. Why is it a crazy notion they want to live in peace? You don't explain why they were attacked and pillaged and I can't find that. Other than Arab marauders have always looted and pillaged for hundreds of years?

That is maybe part of the context to all those moderate actions Britain took.

You have to think as well. This was all some 3d game of Russian propaganda chess and controlled chaos.

You called me a kahanite well what about you? Left wing anti Semite?

This also can seem to describe you.

You did just call me that. I don’t know what it means.

And yet you comment on Israel. LMFAO. I already had you half-pegged as an Israeli but that definitely disqualifies you, you know nothing about Israel.

A lot of them had just moved there from a crazy situation in Russia. Why is it a crazy notion they want to live in peace?

Nothing, whatsoever. Where it becomes problematic is turning it into a colonial project. And no, early Zionists were not at all shy about calling what they were doing colonialism.

1920 is 30 years after the first settlement.

1920 is what the article you linked starts off with. It has pretty much nothing to do with Rischon LeZion.

You don’t explain why they were attacked and pillaged and I can’t find that. Other than Arab marauders have always looted and pillaged for hundreds of years?

Who got pillaged, when? And, yes, shit happens. The right course of action would've been to round up the perpetrators and put them before court. What the Idrun did, instead, was to bomb police stations and market places.


As to your insinuations of antisemitism: I'm German with Jewish roots. My grandfather barely survived the race laws. My aunt lives in Israel. I could grab my passport, fly to Israel, and get citizenship on arrival. My political stance regarding the whole thing can be best summed up as vaguely Labour-Zionist. You know, the kind of Israelis who get beaten up by Israeli police right now for protesting the genocide. The kind of people more concerned with pudding prices than killing Arabs.

There's two things to understand if you ever want to see an end to the bloodshed in that area:

  1. There can be no Israeli security without Palestinian freedom
  2. There can be no Palestinian freedom without Israeli security

Fascists on both sides are happy to make sure neither of the two ever happens. They mutually depend on each other.

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