When people read this thread, who do you think they will think is serious about having a conversation; the guy actually recapping the essence of the conversation, and trying to continue it, or the asshat who keeps trying extremely juvenile "tactics" like yelling "fallacy", saying "you haven't answered my (bad faith) questions" (which I have) and absolutely refusing to address the subject.
You asked for books. That was the first question you had, after I said I can provide literature. You then arbitrarily asked for ten books, supposing I haven’t read ten books on the subject. (If narratives are included, I definitely have.) I then provided a lot of literature, emphasising the book “Good Cop, Bad War”, which highlights how the drug war has worked and what is has done, and why it is that it exists in the first place. You can read a lot of that from Noam Chomsky as well, as the “War ON drugs” (not war for drugs, like the opium wars you referred to) began in the States, and Chomsky is really good at breaking down internal US politics of the time.
You said stupid shit and now you're too ashamed to back it up because you know you can't, but you're also afraid of "not getting the last word."
You can't address the book and literature I mentioned, despite asking for them.
You conflated wars FOR opium to The War ON Drugs. All these silly things you ignore, because you're not a big enough person to admit to mistakes, even on a pseudonymous forum. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm really not. Kids like you are a dime a dozen.
You asked for books. That was the first question you had,
From the top:
Did you ever stop to think that the propaganda you speak of is directly influenced by exactly what steeznson was speaking about?
First question asked.
Why do you believe that anti-drug propaganda only began in the 20th century?
Second.
Do you have anything other than wikipedia links to back your stance up? Say, a real study done on the impacts of anti-drug propaganda through the ages which demonstrates that the 20th century was the most militant with it?
Third.
Do you know what Religion is, and its impacts on anti-drug mentalities predating the 20th century?
Fourth.
Then you said this:
If you’re honestly interested, you can find tons of literature.
and I said, without posing a question:
Name 10 books on the subject including the authors.
A strong reader would notice the lack of "?" at the end of that sentence, meaning it wasn't a "question".
Do you understand how punctuation works?
Did you forget that I said I would be ignoring you moving forward? Which to clarify doesn't mean I won't respond. It means I will ignore what you are saying and respond to whatever catches my fancy. Which is obviously making you big mad.
I find it quite funny, which is the only reason I am choosing to continue. You are a joke to me and as long as you keep delivering the punchlines, I will keep coming back with responses that fire you up.
It is funny that you think I am debating you, or that I owe you an answer to any of your questions when you refuse to answer mine.
Isn't it just?
Because someone listing things like that, answering with oneliners, while yelling out "fallacy" to "win" a debate, isn't "debating"? Sure, buddy, sure.
Did you ever stop to think that the propaganda you speak of is directly influenced by exactly what steeznson was speaking about?
Do you know what a rhetorical question is? Are you pretending you're really looking for a yes or no answer to your rhetorical question? The answer to your RHETORICAL question is "yes." Happy? ("Rhetorical" doesn't mean "not waiting for an answer" btw, which I'm sure you think it does.)
Why do you believe that anti-drug propaganda only began in the 20th century?
Perhaps read my comments again to know why I haven't answered a question asking me about a thing I didn't say? If you want to be petty and childish about taking things literally and not having a reasonable discussion, then really, why would you ask something this stupid?
Do you know what Religion is, and its impacts on anti-drug mentalities predating the 20th century?
I've answered that several times. Even in a comment of it's own that had nothing else in it. Why do you keep ignoring my reply?
If you’re honestly interested, you can find tons of literature.
And I stand by that and provided you that literature, which you've ignored now for several days, because you weren't asking in good faith. You didn't actually want to know any, you're just being a childish c**t who thought asking for "ten books" would be some sort of impossible intellectual criteria you thought I couldn't manage. Which definitely tells a lot about what you consider to be "a lot of books." How many books you read in a year? I'm thinking you're of the generation who doesn't read books at all, which is why you asked, but now can't actually discuss the literature which you asked for.
A strong reader would notice the lack of “?” at the end of that sentence, meaning it wasn’t a “question”.
It's honestly getting to be a bit annoying how childish you're being.
Did you forget that I said I would be ignoring you moving forward?
No, but I've had this same exact conversation a billion times (yes, that is metaphorical, not literal), and kids like you always get pissy, start trying to "win" by yelling out "fallacy" (not realising that even if logic was fallacious doesn't mean the conclusion is wrong), ignoring every single idiotic mistake you make, and then going "I'm done, you're not worth it" while constantly returning to answer and so desperately trying to "get the last word." That's exactly who you are. Like I said, kids like you are a dime in a dozen. You need to up your game.
You literally referenced Opium Wars, thinking they're the same thing as the war ON drugs. They were wars FOR drugs. Not understanding the difference between "for" and "on" doesn't suggest strong reading abilities, does it?
I think you are missing the real question here. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
See before; "you can't address anything you've even said yourself when I actually answer you, but you still have this obsession over 'getting the last word'."
You just have to reply, but you can't address anything, despite last time anally listing "questions I haven't answered." Like I've said, I've answered you several times. And like you said, people can just scroll to the start of the thread and read it. So I don't know what the fuck you're doing by being this childish.
You just have to reply, but you can’t address anything
Pot calling the kettle black much?
Nothing is stopping you from not replying.
I like using forums and discussing even with people who are obnoxious and wrong. I don't feel a need to stop replying. I don't have a childish need of "winning" a "not-debate" I'm in.
I'm not the one who loudly proclaimed they're "done" with this debate. Or was it conversation? Your use of "fallacy!" while trying to "win" a debate seemed to imply you're trying to debate, as did the list form of replying you did in your last comment.
I answered all your questions, but I know you won't address my answers or answer my questions.
Your commitment to this fantasy in your head is rather impressive, even if it is really sad.
Well, I keep bringing up the thing I originally commented, while you keep pretending to be very serious and all, then leaving these utterly childish replies, where like I've said a dozen times, you can't even address the things you yourself say.
So who exactly isn't answering questions?
A bit ashamed you were wrong? It's okay. It's the internet. It's full of people like you saying dumb shit they can't back up and get flustered about. There's nothing to be ashamed of.
A bit ashamed you were wrong? It’s okay. It’s the internet. It’s full of people like you saying dumb shit they can’t back up and get flustered about. There’s nothing to be ashamed of.
I know it is hard, because I cannot find it in me to listen to you, but you should at least listen to yourself. ;)
So you're admitting that you don't "listen" to the people you have conversations with online?
This is looking better and better for you, isn't it? You ask for books, then can't talk about them, you yell "fallacy" then say you're not debating, you say you won't even reply anymore, but then keep coming back, despite not having anything to say except these childish attempts at being a smart-arse.
Why do you do it?
I can address everything we've talked about. I can stand behind my words. You can't.
You need to "up your game".
Go ahead and stand by your words anytime you are ready. Feel free to copy paste my questions, and put the relevant rant that "answers" any one of them below the quoted question. If you can answer all four with what you have previously written in your comments I will go back and answer every single sentence you ended with a "?".
Otherwise, I will just keep doing what I am doing. Which is showing this thread to my spouse, and anyone who finds chronically online nut jobs humorous, and laughing at you until we all get bored and move on with life.
On that note, there is a lot of hope that you will continue responding as we are drinking now and having a great time. If you do not mind continuing with whatever it is you are doing that would be greatly appreciated by approximately 5 people.
Cheers!
It's so easy to provoke you. All I need to do is to quote you back to yourself and you'll get red in the face.
Again, you can't address anything you've said, or that I've said.
"Feel free to copy paste" You mean "copypaste", btw. This is the extremes you'll go to. You just have to reply, but you can't address anything we've talked about, and now literally pretend like it's impossible for you to look at my answers, when you just wrote that "anyone can read the thread." Why don't you start by actually reading it yourself, hmm? It's funny that a person who can't even write words correctly asked me about punctuation. Hue hue hue. Like I've said before, you're so pretentious it literally twists my stomach to an extent.
It is funny that you think I am debating you, or that I owe you an answer to any of your questions when you refuse to answer mine.
I began this thread. I made a comment. You took it as some official claim, but even got it wrong on what the claim was. You then asked for the literature I had offered to show. Which I did. Then you refused to address it, then you started yelling something about "fallacy", (which once again is kinda funny, because it shows how you larp a philosopher/debater while not knowing what the 'argument from fallacy' is), then you started going totally off the rails with these childish comments. Even then, I kept replying to you. I answered your childish strawmen several times. I've responded with literature, but you literally can not even name the book I've given you, let alone actually discuss what's in it (because it would require actually reading the book), nor even discuss the subject of the book. Because you've realised you're wrong, and you're just such a small person that even on a pseudonymous board, you get a panic attack when you think about publicly admitting to having said something stupid. I've addressed all your childish garbage, and you can't address anything you've said or what I've said. It's downright pitiful, honestly. I wish better for you.
You keep moving your goalposts.
I haven't changed what I'm saying, at any point. I've answered you several times. If you can't read the thread, that's really not my issue, is it? Perhaps you need to.... up your game? ;)
Fucking again. Why do you keep doing this?
When people read this thread, who do you think they will think is serious about having a conversation; the guy actually recapping the essence of the conversation, and trying to continue it, or the asshat who keeps trying extremely juvenile "tactics" like yelling "fallacy", saying "you haven't answered my (bad faith) questions" (which I have) and absolutely refusing to address the subject.
You asked for books. That was the first question you had, after I said I can provide literature. You then arbitrarily asked for ten books, supposing I haven’t read ten books on the subject. (If narratives are included, I definitely have.) I then provided a lot of literature, emphasising the book “Good Cop, Bad War”, which highlights how the drug war has worked and what is has done, and why it is that it exists in the first place. You can read a lot of that from Noam Chomsky as well, as the “War ON drugs” (not war for drugs, like the opium wars you referred to) began in the States, and Chomsky is really good at breaking down internal US politics of the time.
You said stupid shit and now you're too ashamed to back it up because you know you can't, but you're also afraid of "not getting the last word."
You can't address the book and literature I mentioned, despite asking for them.
You conflated wars FOR opium to The War ON Drugs. All these silly things you ignore, because you're not a big enough person to admit to mistakes, even on a pseudonymous forum. I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm really not. Kids like you are a dime a dozen.
From the top:
First question asked.
Second.
Third.
Fourth.
Then you said this:
and I said, without posing a question:
A strong reader would notice the lack of "?" at the end of that sentence, meaning it wasn't a "question".
Do you understand how punctuation works?
Did you forget that I said I would be ignoring you moving forward? Which to clarify doesn't mean I won't respond. It means I will ignore what you are saying and respond to whatever catches my fancy. Which is obviously making you big mad.
I find it quite funny, which is the only reason I am choosing to continue. You are a joke to me and as long as you keep delivering the punchlines, I will keep coming back with responses that fire you up.
Isn't it just?
Because someone listing things like that, answering with oneliners, while yelling out "fallacy" to "win" a debate, isn't "debating"? Sure, buddy, sure.
Do you know what a rhetorical question is? Are you pretending you're really looking for a yes or no answer to your rhetorical question? The answer to your RHETORICAL question is "yes." Happy? ("Rhetorical" doesn't mean "not waiting for an answer" btw, which I'm sure you think it does.)
Perhaps read my comments again to know why I haven't answered a question asking me about a thing I didn't say? If you want to be petty and childish about taking things literally and not having a reasonable discussion, then really, why would you ask something this stupid?
I've answered that several times. Even in a comment of it's own that had nothing else in it. Why do you keep ignoring my reply?
And I stand by that and provided you that literature, which you've ignored now for several days, because you weren't asking in good faith. You didn't actually want to know any, you're just being a childish c**t who thought asking for "ten books" would be some sort of impossible intellectual criteria you thought I couldn't manage. Which definitely tells a lot about what you consider to be "a lot of books." How many books you read in a year? I'm thinking you're of the generation who doesn't read books at all, which is why you asked, but now can't actually discuss the literature which you asked for.
It's honestly getting to be a bit annoying how childish you're being.
No, but I've had this same exact conversation a billion times (yes, that is metaphorical, not literal), and kids like you always get pissy, start trying to "win" by yelling out "fallacy" (not realising that even if logic was fallacious doesn't mean the conclusion is wrong), ignoring every single idiotic mistake you make, and then going "I'm done, you're not worth it" while constantly returning to answer and so desperately trying to "get the last word." That's exactly who you are. Like I said, kids like you are a dime in a dozen. You need to up your game.
You literally referenced Opium Wars, thinking they're the same thing as the war ON drugs. They were wars FOR drugs. Not understanding the difference between "for" and "on" doesn't suggest strong reading abilities, does it?
I think you are missing the real question here. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
See before; "you can't address anything you've even said yourself when I actually answer you, but you still have this obsession over 'getting the last word'."
You just have to reply, but you can't address anything, despite last time anally listing "questions I haven't answered." Like I've said, I've answered you several times. And like you said, people can just scroll to the start of the thread and read it. So I don't know what the fuck you're doing by being this childish.
Pot calling the kettle black much?
Nothing is stopping you from not replying.
I like using forums and discussing even with people who are obnoxious and wrong. I don't feel a need to stop replying. I don't have a childish need of "winning" a "not-debate" I'm in.
I'm not the one who loudly proclaimed they're "done" with this debate. Or was it conversation? Your use of "fallacy!" while trying to "win" a debate seemed to imply you're trying to debate, as did the list form of replying you did in your last comment.
I answered all your questions, but I know you won't address my answers or answer my questions.
Your commitment to this fantasy in your head is rather impressive, even if it is really sad.
Well, I keep bringing up the thing I originally commented, while you keep pretending to be very serious and all, then leaving these utterly childish replies, where like I've said a dozen times, you can't even address the things you yourself say.
So who exactly isn't answering questions?
A bit ashamed you were wrong? It's okay. It's the internet. It's full of people like you saying dumb shit they can't back up and get flustered about. There's nothing to be ashamed of.
I know it is hard, because I cannot find it in me to listen to you, but you should at least listen to yourself. ;)
So you're admitting that you don't "listen" to the people you have conversations with online?
This is looking better and better for you, isn't it? You ask for books, then can't talk about them, you yell "fallacy" then say you're not debating, you say you won't even reply anymore, but then keep coming back, despite not having anything to say except these childish attempts at being a smart-arse.
Why do you do it?
I can address everything we've talked about. I can stand behind my words. You can't.
You need to "up your game".
Go ahead and stand by your words anytime you are ready. Feel free to copy paste my questions, and put the relevant rant that "answers" any one of them below the quoted question. If you can answer all four with what you have previously written in your comments I will go back and answer every single sentence you ended with a "?".
Otherwise, I will just keep doing what I am doing. Which is showing this thread to my spouse, and anyone who finds chronically online nut jobs humorous, and laughing at you until we all get bored and move on with life.
On that note, there is a lot of hope that you will continue responding as we are drinking now and having a great time. If you do not mind continuing with whatever it is you are doing that would be greatly appreciated by approximately 5 people.
Cheers!
It's so easy to provoke you. All I need to do is to quote you back to yourself and you'll get red in the face.
Again, you can't address anything you've said, or that I've said.
"Feel free to copy paste" You mean "copypaste", btw. This is the extremes you'll go to. You just have to reply, but you can't address anything we've talked about, and now literally pretend like it's impossible for you to look at my answers, when you just wrote that "anyone can read the thread." Why don't you start by actually reading it yourself, hmm? It's funny that a person who can't even write words correctly asked me about punctuation. Hue hue hue. Like I've said before, you're so pretentious it literally twists my stomach to an extent.
I began this thread. I made a comment. You took it as some official claim, but even got it wrong on what the claim was. You then asked for the literature I had offered to show. Which I did. Then you refused to address it, then you started yelling something about "fallacy", (which once again is kinda funny, because it shows how you larp a philosopher/debater while not knowing what the 'argument from fallacy' is), then you started going totally off the rails with these childish comments. Even then, I kept replying to you. I answered your childish strawmen several times. I've responded with literature, but you literally can not even name the book I've given you, let alone actually discuss what's in it (because it would require actually reading the book), nor even discuss the subject of the book. Because you've realised you're wrong, and you're just such a small person that even on a pseudonymous board, you get a panic attack when you think about publicly admitting to having said something stupid. I've addressed all your childish garbage, and you can't address anything you've said or what I've said. It's downright pitiful, honestly. I wish better for you.
You keep moving your goalposts.
I haven't changed what I'm saying, at any point. I've answered you several times. If you can't read the thread, that's really not my issue, is it? Perhaps you need to.... up your game? ;)