Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers

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Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers
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Never did either of those things.

Yes you did.

Why are you lying? I did not equate them

Yes you did.

My understanding is this is not true.

Your understanding could be that 2+2=5, but that does not make it so.

each change has weeks before introduction and is much more looked at.

That is impossible to do for the thousands of patches that get applied. Which is why maintainers have to be trusted. Ones working for sanctioned Russian companies cannot be.

They're at least risking losing their real names reputation.

Do you think Russia cares about that? They're happily conscripting young men into war. If they tell a maintainer to introduce a vulnerability otherwise their family will be killed, do you really think they'll say "No. My name will then be tarnished in the Linux circle! I'd rather let myself and my family die than let that happen!"

I think this definition is not specific enough.

How convenient 🇷🇺. Regardless, that is the definition.

This itself doesn't mean its a genocide,

I didn't say it alone did. I said it as part of a bunch of other things.

Yes to the first, the second though do you have a source for?

Go look it up yourself, sealion. It won't take you long.

Regardless, it's another point in the genocide column.

Adopting orphaned children itself is not itself bad, just like an American adopting a baby born in China isn't cultural repression

Of fuck off you genocide denialist.

Forcible mass abduction of children with the specific intent of destroying Ukrainian culture is not the same as a family adopting a child who happened to have been born in another country.

What the fuck is that equivalence? This is like your "child rape and drinking alcohol are both bad, but I don't think the state should have the right to ban them" bullshit all over again.

How could you be defending something like that. Christ. Nazis did this.

Okay?

I see the blatant attempt at destroying all Ukrainian culture (i.e. committing genocide) means nothing to you.

Yes you did.

Quote it then, stop with the gaslighting, give the quote.

Do you think Russia cares about that? They’re happily conscripting young men into war. If they tell a maintainer to introduce a vulnerability otherwise their family will be killed, do you really think they’ll say “No. My name will then be tarnished in the Linux circle! I’d rather let myself and my family die than let that happen!”

I think that that is not an effective long term tactic. XZ relied on kilobytes of binary files to be blindly called, that sort of thing doesn't happen in the Linux kernel. Its also not a good idea to use a real Russians working for real defense contractors if you don't want to raise suspicion.

How convenient 🇷🇺.

What?

Regardless, that is the definition.

That is a definition.

Go look it up yourself, sealion. It won’t take you long.

I have that's why I asked, I've seem him say that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, but not that there is no such thing as Ukrainian culture. Another question though, why are you even still responding if you're just going to insult me? No one is going to read this far into an old thread to see you "humiliate me" and you're not going to change my mind through insults. Is is just a convenient punching bag?

I didn’t say it alone did. I said it as part of a bunch of other things.

And I responded to those other things. You seem to be ignoring half of what I say.

Of fuck off you genocide denialist.

I'm not, and I'm not even say what's happening in Ukraine definitely isn't a genocide. Just with the information I have it doesn't look like it. I was hoping you might have more information on the topic, and you somewhat did, I didn't know about the child abduction thing.

Forcible mass abduction of children with the specific intent of destroying Ukrainian culture is not the same as a family adopting a child who happened to have been born in another country.

I agree, that's why I said what I said. You know the next sentence where I specifically said they're not the same thing.

What the fuck is that equivalence? This is like your “child rape and drinking alcohol are both bad, but I don’t think the state should have the right to ban them” bullshit all over again.

Where did I say child rape shouldn't be banned? You should work for TMZ or something, because it seems like you're great at picking out tiny snippets of sentences and ignoring the full context. I never once equated child rape and drinking alchohol. Or that child abduction is the same as adoption- seeing as I literally said that child abduction and adoption are the same thing, and this seems like its mostly child abduction.

I see the blatant attempt at destroying all Ukrainian culture (i.e. committing genocide) means nothing to you.

Signs are not valuable, if the Nazis invaded Poland then decided they were just going to change the signs then I don't think they would be quite as remembered. The Nazis I'm certain did change the signs- but that is pretty insignificant thing to care about to be honest. The child abduction is far more important to focus on than signs.w

It's just an endless circle of you defending Russian genocide and defending child rape with you, isn't it?

Sanctioned companies are gone from the maintainers list. Good riddance. Thankfully Linus isn't a pro-russian loser.

RMS is an advocate of child rape. Thankfully nobody takes him seriously anymore.

Genocide is bad. Child rape is bad. I can't believe this even needs to be explained to some people.

It’s just an endless circle of you defending Russian genocide and defending child rape with you, isn’t it?

I did neither of those things. You are openly ignoring what I said.

RMS is an advocate of child rape.

RMS did not do that.

Genocide is bad. Child rape is bad.

I agree.

I'm sorry to say though I am reporting you for trolling because you repeatedly accusing me of saying stuff I never said, refuse to acknowledge anything I say- then continue to lie about me without providing any evidence for your lies.