Do you think things will get better?

daggermoon@lemmy.world to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml – 71 points –

I don't mean better for you or me but better in general. Do you believe our species will ever reach some form of enlightenment or will we destroy ourselves?

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Eventually but I think society might need to collapse and rebuild in between, and that supporting this level of complex civilization isn't gonna be possible, nor IMO desirable.

This is not to say we would go back to being cavemen, just that society has less tech and energy at its disposal and less people.

I guess we could get there without collapse, but I have zero faith in any kind of degrowth moment despite agreeing with it ideologically. This would help us avoid much death and suffering but it doesn't seem to be priority for anyone in power.

Progression to Socialism is the alternative. We shouldn't advocate for collapse, but public ownership and central planning, which can facilitate green initiatives divorced from the profit motive.

All collapse will do is reset the clock, we will eventually run into the problems of late-stage Capitalism again once humanity runs the course of history again in hundreds or thousands of years.

Name one socialist/communist nation that hasn't been growth based industrialist economy? I think anything growth based is not gonna happen much longer, due to energy shortage, habitat loss, climate change, running out of critical minerals etc.

Sure I'm open for some degrowth socialism but don't really believe that's the way things gonna work out.

AES states historically plan production based on fulfilling needs, not profits. Profit is driven by consumption, so there is always an incentive to overproduce. Combined with a focus on green energy and efficient planning, Socialism is a necessity, and again, returning to earlier production methods will only result in repeating the historical development in Mode of Production.