Because of the sheer volumes of money involved. A lot of these churches command sizable donation pools, as well as manpower provided through volunteer and collaboration efforts. A schism like this weakens the orthodox branch and the reformist branch alike.
That's true, but how big is the reformist branch on the point of female pastors? I'd have to imagine it's tiny. I don't think there was much discussion here.
Saddleback Church claims a membership of over 350k parishioners across 29 branches.
This is the church that's being denied reentry over its women in leadership.
Out of 13.2 million members and 47,198 churches in the SBC. I don't have hard numbers on other churches that support this, but this church, even as big as it is, is still tiny compared to the entire denomination.
Silly Liberal church in Kentucky had a woman pastor for over 30 years. What were they thinking in this day and age?
wow, dumb 🙄 how does anyone in their realm find this acceptable?
Because if you let women have authority, people might start believing things like "men are not automatically good without needing to actually do good things" and "authority isn't instantly derived from the circumstances of your birth but instead based on your merits as a leader".
o: *gasp* can you imagine?
Primarily, thought not exclusively, becuase of these verses:
1 Timothy 3:2-7:
Therefore an overseer[a] must be above reproach, the husband of one wife,[b] sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
religion is humanities modern cancer
ty, you're probably right. i hope some of those women can get out. what a waste of your time and your life to always feel like you're beneath your husband. not to mention how women in those christian sects get wrangled into marriage sometimes with a dude who is 110% okay with being domestically violent :'D
1 Timothy 2:1-12 King James Version
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Yeah exactly, this is on brand for their beliefs. Still dumb as hell, but they're being consistent at least. Not sure why this is news tbh, this is a normal Wednesday for this group of people.
Yeah exactly, these are the words of God and dismiss them and scoff at your own peril
I mean, I'll dismiss them and scoff as I please, but I can recognize it isn't a hypocritical action they're taking in this case.
Oh, we're selectively quoting bible verses that suit us?
How about this then:
Mark.10 Verse 21
[21] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
I'm no longer a baptist (or even a Christian), but I grew up in a baptist church and heard all about Saddleback Church and Rick Warren and read his books. 15-20 years ago, he was quite popular and well-liked in baptist and many non-baptist Christian communities, at least in my area in central California.
But 1 Corinthians 3:14 is pretty unambiguous. I don't agree with it because I think the whole bible is a bunch of nonsense, but this is basically the expected outcome of taking the bible literally. Also the extreme politicization of SBC has been there since the beginning, so this kind of thing isn't really a surprise.
Well yeah. Why would anyone expect different?
Because of the sheer volumes of money involved. A lot of these churches command sizable donation pools, as well as manpower provided through volunteer and collaboration efforts. A schism like this weakens the orthodox branch and the reformist branch alike.
That's true, but how big is the reformist branch on the point of female pastors? I'd have to imagine it's tiny. I don't think there was much discussion here.
Saddleback Church claims a membership of over 350k parishioners across 29 branches.
This is the church that's being denied reentry over its women in leadership.
Out of 13.2 million members and 47,198 churches in the SBC. I don't have hard numbers on other churches that support this, but this church, even as big as it is, is still tiny compared to the entire denomination.
Silly Liberal church in Kentucky had a woman pastor for over 30 years. What were they thinking in this day and age?
wow, dumb 🙄 how does anyone in their realm find this acceptable?
Because if you let women have authority, people might start believing things like "men are not automatically good without needing to actually do good things" and "authority isn't instantly derived from the circumstances of your birth but instead based on your merits as a leader".
o: *gasp* can you imagine?
Primarily, thought not exclusively, becuase of these verses:
1 Timothy 3:2-7:
Therefore an overseer[a] must be above reproach, the husband of one wife,[b] sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
religion is humanities modern cancer
ty, you're probably right. i hope some of those women can get out. what a waste of your time and your life to always feel like you're beneath your husband. not to mention how women in those christian sects get wrangled into marriage sometimes with a dude who is 110% okay with being domestically violent :'D
1 Timothy 2:1-12 King James Version
Yeah exactly, this is on brand for their beliefs. Still dumb as hell, but they're being consistent at least. Not sure why this is news tbh, this is a normal Wednesday for this group of people.
Yeah exactly, these are the words of God and dismiss them and scoff at your own peril
I mean, I'll dismiss them and scoff as I please, but I can recognize it isn't a hypocritical action they're taking in this case.
Oh, we're selectively quoting bible verses that suit us?
How about this then:
I'm no longer a baptist (or even a Christian), but I grew up in a baptist church and heard all about Saddleback Church and Rick Warren and read his books. 15-20 years ago, he was quite popular and well-liked in baptist and many non-baptist Christian communities, at least in my area in central California.
But 1 Corinthians 3:14 is pretty unambiguous. I don't agree with it because I think the whole bible is a bunch of nonsense, but this is basically the expected outcome of taking the bible literally. Also the extreme politicization of SBC has been there since the beginning, so this kind of thing isn't really a surprise.