This "report" is exactly what I would expect from Lunduke. It is really sad that this reactionary content comes from someone who I once thought was cool.

The only part I can agree on : the execs at Mozilla are getting paid too much in the current situation.

Now to get to the real meat.

The combined spendings to political organizations make up around 1m$. This is less than the donations made to Mozilla foundation. Considering the very political nature of the foundation, these spendings were likely authorized there.

Now, why would a technology company spend on political organisations? Well, simply put : technology is political. People trying to peddle that technology is not political are trying to sell you the status quo.

Technology companies spend insane amounts of money on lobbying.

Now, why would Mozilla spend money on left-leaning organisations? Well, simply put : left-leaning politics (though embedded in neoliberal Californian ideals of the internet) are embedded at the core of Mozilla from the start with Mozilla manifesto.

I'm not gonna get into why Lunduke thinks that these organisations are bad but consider it a red flag.

Now, what I would ask to anyone reading this : why do you think Lunduke is ignoring this? Why would Lunduke try to paint this picture?

I'm gonna be asking hard questions, I think, sorry about that. I hope you consider it tough love considering our past interactions.

As an instance admin, I have some questions:

• How are you doing? I know there was a lot of pressure when things blew up and it seems to be calming down a bit now.

• How is Lemmy doing financially?

• Considering past releases and their associated breaking bugs (including 0.18.3), what measures are you taking to help prevent that?

• Can we consider the possibility of downgrades being supported?

• Why are bugs affecting moderation not release blockers? Does anything block releases?

• Are there plans to give instance administrators a voice in shaping the future of Lemmy's development?

As someone who is trying to help with Lemmy's development, I have some other questions:

• What do you think are the biggest problems with Lemmy as a software project and what are your priorities for Lemmy?
• Considering fairly low amounts of developers contributing to Lemmy, how are you working to help new people get into the project?
• Do you worry about the message it sends to potential contributors when the main developers are working on a different project which competes with the former? (Example: Lemmy-ui vs Lemmy-ui-Leptos)
• Considering most work is done voluntarily, how are you trying to organize and prioritize work?
• Do you believe you are stretching yourself too thin between Lemmy, Lemmy-ui, Lemmy-ui-leptos, Jerboa and Lemmy.ml? If so, what are you doing to help you focus?

Well, we've defederated with other people in the past (and will continue to do so in the future most likely). Federated systems are not an all or nothing situation. IMO that's the biggest draw and improvement over a distributed system for social media.

Your comment is in bad faith. Take a step back to consider how you interact with people.

Not sure why Lemmy.world is to blame for this - we had the same vulnerability - everyone did. I shut down Beehaw because we had the vulnerability.

From where I'm standing, I can't really much has changed unfortunately.. which really sucks..

Lemmy.world has grown substantially meanwhile the moderation tools have not improved at all. All I can say about the moderation tools is that we now know that the tools suck more than they used to.

Here's a list of moderation problems that we have discovered since then:

• If a Berson is reported on another instance, we never get the report.
• If a mod is banned from the community they mod, they can still take mod actions
• If you get site-banned from Beehaw while you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from that instance and kbin can see your posts
• People from other instances can't know who if someone is an admin on the instance they're interacting with
• People from other instances can't see when we use the shield function to signal we're talking "officially / as a mod"
• The modlog is not chronological
• The modlog breaks if you ban someone for more than 4 digit days.
• A banned user's description is still visible so if they link to a scat image in their description, it is still visible to moderators.

Despite these newly known problems, there have been exactly no improvement whatsoever to the moderation tools. It is honestly unsettling and terrifying.

Sad to hear that's been happening on Blahaj. Full and unambiguous support from me! 🐝

I would wager I've spent between 40-70hours a week working on Beehaw directly or on things relating to it with as high as 90hours a week at the peak - I would wake up, open Beehaw, eat, sleep. None of us get paid for this, it would likely bankrupt Beehaw in less than a week if we were paid even minimum wage. The only reason I can do this is because I don't have a job - which is putting me in a bad financial situation honestly.. I really should've gotten a job but I didn't.

Thank you for the appreciation.

Personally - I think any bot that could be straight Lemmy functionality shouldn't exist but that said, I think good ground rules would be :

• Bots should be clearly prompted by a command
• Bots should not act in a community without mods from that community being contacted first
• Bots should minimize the space they take with their messages (Example: Info on how to contact its creator should be in the bot bio rather than in every message)
• Bots should say who made/hosts it

Everybody gets horny, idiot.

Please don't call people idiots needlessly.

Does it matter if someone jerks off to JaLo in the Fappening or some random AI generated BS?

The issue is that this technology can be used to create pornographic material of anyone that has some level of realism without their consent. For creators and the average person, this is incredibly harmful. I don't want porn of myself to be made and neither do a lot of creators online.

Not only are these images an affront to the dignity of people but it can also be incredibly harmful for someone to see porn of themselves they did not make with someone else's body.

This is a matter of human decency and consent. It is not negotiable.

As mentioned by @ram@lemmy.ca, this can also be used for other harmful things like CSAM which is genuinely terrifying.

This is not something we've considered, is there anything in particular you find problematic over there? You can disable all NSFW content in your account settings if that's the issue

The details are under NDA and Facebook has a really bad history of having a terrible moderation culture. I don't see any reason based on their past history to believe that they will change.

It feels kinda like giving a gun to a serial killer and just waiting it out. It's an exaggerated analogy but I think it illustrates the point well.

Mastodon has a better solution for this in my opinion - it's not completely black or white like lemmy's system. See : https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/moderation/#limit-server

Some of the moderation issues that we've talked about in the past are linked in the OP post. I will say that it has only gotten worse over time. I cannot think of a single moderation feature which actually fully works. That is how bad I think things are. They're all broken in subtle ways. Yes, even reports are broken.

Great video as always from Noodle. I think I'll try peglin - the rest is not really my jam.

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The defederated list does not include reasons and we can't add it from Lemmy's tools. The Lemmy instances we've defederated from memory are : Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml because they deny certain genocides, exploding-heads.com and lemmygrad.com because they are queerphobic, burggit.moe because they host child pornography.

Finally, lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works because of the reasons mentioned in the post.

I wish I could be excited for this but after no longer being able to use it for SMS and shoving crypto in it... Well, I just don't wanna use Signal anymore :(

That's my bad, I had kinda assumed you'd reply something so the silence was a bit unexpected. I apologize.

I don't think this is necessary.

We had no messages on our database that had the vulnerability though some were federated from blahaj in the aftermath. The JWT, which is your session token, was changed as well so it seems very unlikely to me that this needs to be changed. There's no reason to believe the attack could've given access to passwords.

I don't think this is an appropriate reply right now considering they are already complaining about having to argue about it.

I think that largely the fediverse has drawn people that are against corporate control and want to go back to a more community-oriented system. I also think that there is a lot of cynicism and lack of trust in corporate social media that is growing with time.

For these reasons, I don't think that Bluesky or a corporate takeover is welcome and that people will switch over to it.

If someone is consistently disruptive, even if they don’t technically break the rules or are borderline, show them the door.

I will say that's exactly why we have the one "be(e) nice" rule. It's entirely subjective and it allows mods to more freely act on that without someone being able to ruleslawyer.

GDPR is not an issue per se - we can delete people's stuff easily. Can't delete it from other people's computers, that's all.

This already applies to email and online archival tools - Lemmy is not much different in that regard. What is on the internet stays on the internet - all we can do is ask for it to be deleted.

To add to this, here's something that Mastodon allows which is not possible in Lemmy: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/moderation/#limit-server

I mean, username vs phone number kinda doesn't matter anymore since it doesn't even do SMS anymore. This is probably the most popular change they could do and which has the least consequences on bloat.

Right, that's what I imagined. If there's anything I can help with or if you just want to vent, feel free to DM at any time on Matrix

We defederated not because of "trolling" but rather people posting pornography on our communities, suggesting that gay people should die and calling the main dev of Lemmy an homophobic slur in the span of uh, 10minutes?

There’s the camp that thinks the Fediverse should be a fully unmoderated peer to peer free for all, and there’s the camp that thinks the Fediverse should be a distributed governance model in which users are free to choose the admins whose moderation style matches their desired moderation style.

I really want to make a philosophy post on the effects of individualism on moderation...

There's a war? Why did no one tell me?

Well, we have stated that we are not trying to be reddit. There are more reddit-like alternatives than the more traditional forums that are possibilities.

We entirely expect that if we move away from Lemmy, we will lose people. Will that be for the better or the worse? Nobody can know as nobody can predict that future. It's a very difficult position.

Memes tend to not be a great discussion starter. If there is an overwhelming amount of memes, interactions and discussions can easily be buried and socially discouraged as a result.

I mean, hard to go wrong with bestagon.

Based on the content of the linked post and the evolution of the thread here, the mod team has decided to lock this post. There is an important difference between standing up for people who are marginalized and harassment, which this thread has been more or less equating. Please deal with this topic in a more nuanced manner going forward.

Promoting interoperability does not mean accepting bad actors. We can build something without bad actors. They can use ActivityPub and use it with people who are fine with Facebook, people don't need to accept it though.

Just like we can encourage the usage of HTTP and the Web without hosting and giving place to all websites on another website. For example, I have a personal website and encourage people to do so. That doesn't mean I need to link and interact with all websites that exist.

I will say I'm pretty glad to see a search engine which actually is not just a meta search engine. I wish Kagi would attempt this rather than partnerning with Brave.

One thing I find odd though is why these engines trying to make their own index don't do the adversarial strategy that Brave Search has done : while using other indexes, collect what people actually click on and use it in your own index. I will note that I do not support Brave.

Yeah, I think Lemmy needs a lot more granularity over roles. Currently there's two rules outside one of a user : Admin (You can literally do anything that is possible) and Community mod (Remove comments/posts, ban community-wide).

We need people who can remove comments/posts site-wide, ban site-wide, do application approvals. None of this can currently be delegated without giving full powers.

This isn't the first time we see you posting in bad faith. You were previously temporarily banned as well. This has been escalated to a perma ban. Good bye.

I mean, that's a question of trust. There's nothing I can do other than promise that I or any of the admins would never sell off Beehaw.

That said, if it reassures you, our disregard for "growth for the sake of growth" should push away any kind of company seeking money. It'd be much more lucrative to go for a big instance like lemmy.world.

How could we do more than ask for trust?

To me, it kinda looked kinda of like a wasp about to sting you.

Here are some examples on exploding-heads.com and rammy.site though I kinda doubt you don't know about them. Their members frequently harass trans and queer communities as well.

::: spoiler Warning trans/queerphobic https://exploding-heads.com/post/635111 https://exploding-heads.com/post/635113 https://exploding-heads.com/post/635122 https://exploding-heads.com/post/627109 https://exploding-heads.com/post/628678 https://exploding-heads.com/post/627044 https://exploding-heads.com/post/630190 https://exploding-heads.com/post/191408 https://exploding-heads.com/post/618400 https://rammy.site/c/saynotogroomers :::