If only there were international organizations that could enforce standards. Like the WTO for example.

Oooh can we do Cyprus next then? What do you mean no?

No I mean Israel. Israel is a sponsor of terrorism. In the Occupied Territories, the IDF and the Israeli state are continuously aiding and abetting radical settler militias in terrorizing the indigenous population, like their terrorist forefathers in the Irgun in the 1940s. In Gaza, the IDF itself is employing mass terror tactics against the population in service of ethnic cleansing. In Lebanon, the Mossad employed terror tactics with the mass detonation of battery-operated devices a couple of weeks ago. They are also currently employing mass terror tactics against the Lebanese population. They have also engaged in extra-judicial assassinations of political figures, another terror tactic. Israel is a major source of terror and destabilization in the Middle East. They should fucking stop.

Egypt and Jordan have both normalized relations with Israel. They are absolutely not threats.

Syria and Lebanon are failed states. The threats to Israel come from non state actors within them. Such actors can only be truly neutralized by (a) capturing and trying the leadership -rather than making them martyrs by extra judicial killings, and (b) by removing their legitimacy, i.e., by ending Israel's illegal occupation and colonization of the West Bank, and by letting Gaza breathe. Basically, these non state actors can only be defeated politically at this point.

That said, it is clear that Israel has gone rabid. The rest of the world at this point is more worried about the safety of its neighbours from it. There is no credible actual threat to Israel any more. But there is a credible genocide and ethnic cleansing going on under/by Israeli arms. The Israeli far right (that is part of the government) contains powerful elements that are already planning the colonization of Gaza and Southern Lebanon. Internally, even dissenting Jewish Israelis are facing repercussions for not towing the extreme nationalist line. The settlers are the strongest political force in the country. Etc etc. Israel needs to be deradicalized. There need to be limits placed and there need to be consequences

Ultimately we need nothing less than the complete and blind application of international law. If that is too radical for Americans or Israelis, too bad.

I called for the end of Israeli state terror and you name that a call for genociding jews. That's batshit insane and paranoid buddy. (By the way, you can't "genocide a state", that's bullshit.)

And quit it with the zionist apologia. None of the "ooo who did that 70 years ago" matters, this is the post-Oslo world, when the PLO/PA has formally accepted Israel's right to exist, all while Israel colonizes their lands in clear violation of their own signed agreements. Save it for evangelical fundamentalist bootlickers and impressionable young diaspora kids who haven't been deprogrammed yet.

You're making an argument for legitimacy not legality. All of the bombing that all of the parties have been doing is illegal under a strict reading of international law in that war is generally not allowed unless approved by some UN resolution.

Iran should definitely stop harbouring terrorism. SO SHOULD FUCKING ISRAEL.

The Ezzedine Al-Qassam Brigades takes responsibility for the heroic Jaffa operation carried out by the fighters from the [occupied West Bank] city of Hebron

Heroic operation? Shooting up a tram? Fuck off. This is not resistance, it's wanton murder. Random people in public transit are not legitimate targets.

The fanatic stupidity on display here is astounding. But what else to expect? Fanatic stupidity festers in occupation, dehumanization, and genocide.

Get off your nationalist garrison mentality and you'll immediately see that I'm not blaming Israel for everything. I specifically started by saying that "Iran should definitely stop harbouring terrorism". Literally my very first fucking sentence in this interaction. I have no hesitation to also label Hezbollah and Hamas as despicable terrorists as well. Fuck. Them.

What I am also doing is blaming Israel for what Israel does, something that you are having trouble computing because you're trapped in an "us and them" knuckle-dragging mentality. Super conveniently for your terror narrative, the ONE accusation that you don't even mention is my very FIRST one: that Israel is aiding and abetting terrorism by radical settler militias against the indigenous population of the West Bank. That alone is enough to 100% condemn Israel as a state sponsor of terror.

We have an actual A/B testing scenario here, a perfect natural experiment. The West Bank is what "Palestine without Hamas" looks like. And damningly for kahanist bootlickers "Palestine without Hamas" is an apartheid state/bantustan where the Israeli state apparatus has banalized the extreme degradation, oppression, murder and dehumanization of 2 million people.

What the fuck are you even talking about? What is Bibi, some pariah, some exception? In the 21st century, there are more years where Netanyahu has been PM of Israel than there are when he wasn't. Before him it was Ariel fucking Sharon. For the vast majority of time since Oslo, it's been either Likud or some Likud splinter in power. The basic outlines of the original Likud program are by now Israel's official policy. Fuck, they have been building "facts on the ground" for 30 years. The facts on the ground are now just the FACTS. Israel took a dump on Oslo, and its shit stinks.

And yea I know that other types of Zionism exist, and that "not all Zionists" are rabid genocidal lunatics. But for the last 30 years, the Israeli Right has DOMINATED what it means to be a zionist. The Sharon-Netanyahu style of Zionism, is the really existing Zionism that is in POWER. And fuck no, I don't need to be doing the "not all Israelis" dance, not any more than when the Greek government does shit. When Modi sends assassination squads to kill Sikhs in Canada, we don't say "not all Indians", we condemn Indian sponsorship of terror. I'm not going to give Israeli terrorism a pass just because it's Israeli. ISRAEL IS NOT SPECIAL. Israeli shit smells just as bad as Greek shit or Turkish shit or Lebanese shit.

That's why I'm saying that Israel the country, is a sponsor of settler terrorism. The country's army protects them. The country's government arms them and leaves them unpunished. The country's services over time legalize their land grabs and offer them amenities. THIS IS WHAT STATE SPONSORSHIP OF TERROR LOOKS LIKE. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that this does not constitute a condemnation of every israeli out there, or worse of every jew out there, that's a You problem. And if your feefees about what Zionism should be are hurt by the reality of what Really Existing Zionism actually does are hurt, too bad for your feefees.

Hamas is the government of Gaza. So yes, when they order the killing of some random civilians in Tel Aviv's mass transit, that's literally state terrorism, with the only qualifier that Gaza is a quasi-state, so I guess "quasi-state sponsored terrorism"? But yes, that's it. The quasi-state of Gaza is condemnable for its support of terrorism. The state of Israel is condemnable for its support of terrorism.

I don't get why you keep repeating on the "and the people" bit. I clearly said above that condemning Israeli state terrorism is not a condemnation of every Israeli. Similarly, condemning Hamas terrorism is not a condemnation of every Gazan.

So there you have my position clear as day. What's yours? Do you condemn Israel for its systematic sponsorship of terrorism?

If you recognize Palestine as a sovereign state and therefore the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as illegal, sure I'll condemn Palestinian sponsorship of terrorism. If not, there is nothing to condemn right? There can't be state sponsored terrorism by an entity that is not a state. Logic.

And for the record, I'm unequivocally condemning Iran and Hezbollah and the Houthis for their terrorism.

Still waiting on an answer to my question, buddy. Israeli policy of sponsorship of terror. Do you condemn Israel for it.

Unhinged much?

Sure buddy. Thanks for the clarification.

Edit: only Palestine is not a state. There is the PA and there might be something to actually condemn about a "martyrs fund" but that's about it. And Hamas is obviously not controlled in any way by the PA. On the other hand, Israel is a regional superpower with a victim compelx and a genocidal army. In my list of dangerous maniacs, the Israeli state, its army and intelligence services are way way higher than the ...PA. But regardless. Good to hear a Zionist condemn Israel for state sponsored terror. Have a nice evening.

The government of France bans protests... I've heard that one before I think. What did the French do after?

The Streisand effect.

Americans, leash your fucking dog.

Germany equating its historic debt to Jewish people with support for a particular state is an absolutely disgusting distortion of the German obligation of remembrance.

Just like this, they throw under the bus any anti-Zionist Jew.

Honestly, when it comes to Israel/Palestine, the German state should just do what their other genocide victim, Namibia, told them to do and Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Stay the fuck out of it. Say the honorable thing that you will abide by the rulings of international courts. Provide humanitarian aid, help refugees and displaced people. Be a ray of light and humanity, not a stickler for rules and definitions. Don't be so goddamn fucking German for a change.

The US is ready to nuke what's left of international law in order to protect a couple of criminals.

That are ready to bring us back to the era of the League of Nations just so that Bibi fucking Netanyahu doesn't go to trial.

Canada, the EU, and a bunch of other Western countries are signatories to the treaty of Rome. What do they have to say about this bullying behaviour of the US government?

I am getting tired of liberals (in the European sense, not the American sense) clutching their pearls at the resurgence of the fascist right when they did everything they could to kill off the socialist left everywhere in Europe. If you shift the Overton window so that your corporate neoliberal asses are the left side of it, what the fuck do you expect to be at its right side?

Let's see how convictions and incarceration times for these Nazis will compare to the ones handed down to the peaceful and objectively righteous Just Stop Oil protesters.

Airplanes need to start having a "brig" like boats. This taping people down business is silly.

Edit: I love how people are seriously responding to this bit of poop-time wisdom.

Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.

If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women's boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.

They are state sponsored terrorists.

Only one person cares about these ratings, and he hates this.

Palestine has a right to defend itself.

What's wrong with overnight oats? I really like them.

Logistics is king folks, remember that.

The media later: why doesn't anyone trust us and believe in wild conspiracy theories?

They destroy their own credibility and then cry foul when the extreme right uses this to spread hate propaganda.

Fascists gonna fascist.

The commercialization of housing has failed.

Because the real world is not a Civ game.

When I moved to Mastodon, I stopped caring about the Twitter dumpster fire. It was great.

I am trying to do the same with Lemmy, to forget about Reddit. It's gone. We are here now.

These people might have been alive if we had a ceasefire. But no, Netanyahu's political career is more important.

Maxim Katz has explained that these kinds of deranged declarations are not directed at us. They are a kind of symbolic self-humiliation of Medvedev to prove to Putin that he is still loyal. It's "look I am willing to appear so wretched and ridiculous to the foreigners, I could not possibly be a threat to you, I am not some kind of alternative that could replace you, I am such a silly man, please don't throw me out of a window".

Fuck the morality police.

Well that's a convenient naming coincidence.

Now, what I would do if I were Brian Molko is I would absolutely go to trial. Turn it in a show. Either I get convicted, in which case, Meloni looks even more like a fascist, or I get exonerated, in which case, it's the courts that are accepting that she's a fascist.

5000E is not an issue, he can fundraise that in an afternoon.

GO BRIAN

It was not a cross border attack. It was a special military operation.

Netanyahu is taking Israel down a very very dangerous path. This will not end well.