Some ukranians are neo-nazis, also some in the military. Just like in Russia.
There are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, just as there are in Canada, France, the US, or Australia. But the entire Putin regime is authoritarian, reactionary, genocidal, and thoroughly corrupt — which we could sum up by saying "fascist".
The Russia battalions are explicitly ideologically neo-Nazis and are embraced by Russia and Putin. They don’t mind neo-Nazis; in fact they positively like them! (Which makes the “de-Nazification” casus belli even sillier but that’s neither here nor there.)
The Ukrainian neo-Nazis have never been the majority of their battalion, the battalion has never explicitly been neo-Nazi, the state and the battalion itself have repeatedly rejected Nazism, and reports now are fairly conflicting about how many neo-Nazis remain in its ranks.
So pretty different overall.
Neo-nazis are a curse that is all over the world in many countries. In fact, I challenge Russia to invade the US to get rid of ours. Hell, by their logic, they should be invading much the world. Even themselves?
Now, back to relevancy with additional information: The Azov Brigade in Ukraine did have a high concentration of far right-wing and neo-nazis. (They utilize symbols that are associated with the German SS; some are no longer used but you will still see them from time to time) However, they have been a pain in the ass for Russia since the Donbass conflicts started which is nice. As part of a deal with Ukraine, the Azovs ultimately down-sized and began to reject much of the extremest ideology to become a more formalized political group in Ukraine. That didn't stop Russia from spreading more propaganda though. Russia needed to degrade support for the Azov group because they were quite effective in battle and needed to fight them in any way possible. (More info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade)
Quick note: Russia still spreads fake videos of the Azov Brigade in formation giving Nazi salutes and such. I am not saying that doesn't happen still, but most of the videos you find "proving" Ukraine is still Nazi are fake. Nazis are still going to Nazi, unfortunately.
Some things Nazis did:
Invading other countries
Genocide
Putting dissenters in prison camps
Murdering party members who don't fall 100% in line
Murdering gay and trans people
Fake elections rigged to "elect" a dictator
Curiously, this looks like things the Putin regime does, too.
Yep. Propaganda is a bitch. It's super easy to accuse others of things that you do as a distraction for the general population and tends to be popular in right-wing groups.
Good points! Even if all of Russia’s propaganda is true though, it still doesn’t change the fact that they themselves have and are enthusiastically embracing their own neo-Nazis. So invading another country to de-Nazify it is a pretty ridiculous claim. Especially since they’re using Nazis to do it.
Speaking of Russian Nazis, Dimitri Utkin (the Wagner dude) was supposedly part of that bunch.
Has this picture been validated as authentic yet? (Note the tattoos):
Sure. I did not mean to say the extend of them is equal in both countries. Just that neo-Nazism exists in both countries, and we are being blind if we simply ignore that it is a problem in Ukraine and their military.
Ahhhh, the old "both sides" argument...let me drink it 8n.
Yeah, that's the good stuff.
Now do "whataboutism"!!!!
Oh, there is no doubt Russia is much worse in the fascist regard. What I mean is we are beeing ignorant if we turn a blind to neo-Nazism also beeing a problem in Ukraine.
Especially when we are considering Ukraine joining NATO in the future. We need them to get rid of those parts of the military first.
Neo-nazi's are almost everywhere in the world. Might as well bring that up too.
Some ukranians are neo-nazis, also some in the military. Just like in Russia.
There are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, just as there are in Canada, France, the US, or Australia. But the entire Putin regime is authoritarian, reactionary, genocidal, and thoroughly corrupt — which we could sum up by saying "fascist".
UK as well, fascists have been spouting bullshit here for decades.
Not quite like though, right?
The Russia battalions are explicitly ideologically neo-Nazis and are embraced by Russia and Putin. They don’t mind neo-Nazis; in fact they positively like them! (Which makes the “de-Nazification” casus belli even sillier but that’s neither here nor there.)
The Ukrainian neo-Nazis have never been the majority of their battalion, the battalion has never explicitly been neo-Nazi, the state and the battalion itself have repeatedly rejected Nazism, and reports now are fairly conflicting about how many neo-Nazis remain in its ranks.
So pretty different overall.
Neo-nazis are a curse that is all over the world in many countries. In fact, I challenge Russia to invade the US to get rid of ours. Hell, by their logic, they should be invading much the world. Even themselves?
Now, back to relevancy with additional information: The Azov Brigade in Ukraine did have a high concentration of far right-wing and neo-nazis. (They utilize symbols that are associated with the German SS; some are no longer used but you will still see them from time to time) However, they have been a pain in the ass for Russia since the Donbass conflicts started which is nice. As part of a deal with Ukraine, the Azovs ultimately down-sized and began to reject much of the extremest ideology to become a more formalized political group in Ukraine. That didn't stop Russia from spreading more propaganda though. Russia needed to degrade support for the Azov group because they were quite effective in battle and needed to fight them in any way possible. (More info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade)
Quick note: Russia still spreads fake videos of the Azov Brigade in formation giving Nazi salutes and such. I am not saying that doesn't happen still, but most of the videos you find "proving" Ukraine is still Nazi are fake. Nazis are still going to Nazi, unfortunately.
Some things Nazis did:
Curiously, this looks like things the Putin regime does, too.
Yep. Propaganda is a bitch. It's super easy to accuse others of things that you do as a distraction for the general population and tends to be popular in right-wing groups.
Good points! Even if all of Russia’s propaganda is true though, it still doesn’t change the fact that they themselves have and are enthusiastically embracing their own neo-Nazis. So invading another country to de-Nazify it is a pretty ridiculous claim. Especially since they’re using Nazis to do it.
Speaking of Russian Nazis, Dimitri Utkin (the Wagner dude) was supposedly part of that bunch.
Has this picture been validated as authentic yet? (Note the tattoos):
Sure. I did not mean to say the extend of them is equal in both countries. Just that neo-Nazism exists in both countries, and we are being blind if we simply ignore that it is a problem in Ukraine and their military.
Ahhhh, the old "both sides" argument...let me drink it 8n.
Yeah, that's the good stuff.
Now do "whataboutism"!!!!
Oh, there is no doubt Russia is much worse in the fascist regard. What I mean is we are beeing ignorant if we turn a blind to neo-Nazism also beeing a problem in Ukraine.
Especially when we are considering Ukraine joining NATO in the future. We need them to get rid of those parts of the military first.
Neo-nazi's are almost everywhere in the world. Might as well bring that up too.