2023 is the hottest year ever in record. Everything suggests that it won't hold that record for long. Why would I bring children to this world to suffer the hell that 2050 will be?
Because at least you are thinking about such problems (unlike too many). I thought similarly back in 1998, many records broken since, we're still here, now glad my children are too and getting educated, to help society get through this. By the way the original post is from Ireland which may not get so much warmer (depends thermohaline circulation...) - maybe stormier, although much (not all) of europe will still be nice to live in 2050, adaptation may include many people relocating.
And will you still feel the same in 20 years time when your children are starving or fighting in wars for fresh water?
I sincerely doubt most people will be starving. Global population should peak about 25% higher than now, agriculture and diets will change and move - adapt, but it won't be equitable. So I do expect my kids may need to fight - in a non-violent way - for a better distribution of water and other resources.
Life is a movie to sheltered internet dweebs like them lol.
Climate change is real as fuck. And unless the people replying are already in hugely disadvantaged 3rd world countries coupled with hazardous terrain susceptible to ocean rise and/or jet stream change, they'll be fine.
Life will always feel like a struggle no matter how utopian our society. It's the natural mode of life to instinctually fight for survival. If there's nothing to fight, our brains literally imagine stuff for us. Hello GAD, Panic Disorder, etc.
If your in a developed nation with a decent military then you will be among the last to feel the pain of environmental collapse. Most of the world is what we would consider hellish right now, yet people still find a way to laugh and love. Watch these poor souls recycling electronics in Africa. Watch bald and bankrupt in bengladesh. Most people alive today live like this and it doesn't stop them from living life. We all adapt to our conditions, its all relative to our individual experience and what we consider "normal" in our lives. Your condition potentially getting worse shouldn't stop you from having kids, as your condition probably has a long way to go to get down to where most of the population is at currently. Whether you enjoy the ride, fight the collapse, or hail the apocalypse, someones gotta be around to keep this party going. If their born into late stage environmental collapse with nations fighting over the last scraps of arable land and drinkable water, well then that becomes their "normal" and theyll still find something to laugh about and someone to love. But at the end of the day it is your choice and you should do as you see best.
Most of the world is what we would consider hellish right now, yet people still find a way to laugh and love. Watch these poor souls recycling electronics in Africa. Watch bald and bankrupt in bengladesh. Most people alive today live like this and it doesn't stop them from living life.
You really threw bald people in there as the miserable, wretched of the earth.
You do it. You're not gonna fuck a solution out. Why is it always "let the kids fix it"?
because it will take multiple generations to fix?
Humans are what are causing the mess, and you want to add more of them?
The earth does not care much about climate change, nor about humans. Nature will bounce back eventually. It always did.
Bringing kids into this world, who are educated and adapted will help humanity, not the earth.
only if their parents care enough to make sure they are educated and smart. we don't need more stupid people.
Good point. I guess the problem is that with humans it's always quantity over quality.
The "problem" being that the more educated people are, the fewer children they have and that's a correlation that actually holds pretty well.
The whole "people should have more children and make sure they are educated and smart" is self-contradictory: it's either more kids lower-education or fewer kids higher-education.
It's magical thinking to expect that the people capable of "making sure they're educated and smart" will have many children.
Humans and our cultural diversity are part of biodiversity which makes life beautiful, it's about balance. A longterm goal should be to save more space for other species, but we need educated young people to keep knowledge and tackle the legacy of the mess (among much else) left by their ancestors.
2023 is the hottest year ever in record. Everything suggests that it won't hold that record for long. Why would I bring children to this world to suffer the hell that 2050 will be?
Because at least you are thinking about such problems (unlike too many). I thought similarly back in 1998, many records broken since, we're still here, now glad my children are too and getting educated, to help society get through this. By the way the original post is from Ireland which may not get so much warmer (depends thermohaline circulation...) - maybe stormier, although much (not all) of europe will still be nice to live in 2050, adaptation may include many people relocating.
And will you still feel the same in 20 years time when your children are starving or fighting in wars for fresh water?
I sincerely doubt most people will be starving. Global population should peak about 25% higher than now, agriculture and diets will change and move - adapt, but it won't be equitable. So I do expect my kids may need to fight - in a non-violent way - for a better distribution of water and other resources.
Life is a movie to sheltered internet dweebs like them lol.
Climate change is real as fuck. And unless the people replying are already in hugely disadvantaged 3rd world countries coupled with hazardous terrain susceptible to ocean rise and/or jet stream change, they'll be fine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgMdjyw8uw
Life will always feel like a struggle no matter how utopian our society. It's the natural mode of life to instinctually fight for survival. If there's nothing to fight, our brains literally imagine stuff for us. Hello GAD, Panic Disorder, etc.
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If your in a developed nation with a decent military then you will be among the last to feel the pain of environmental collapse. Most of the world is what we would consider hellish right now, yet people still find a way to laugh and love. Watch these poor souls recycling electronics in Africa. Watch bald and bankrupt in bengladesh. Most people alive today live like this and it doesn't stop them from living life. We all adapt to our conditions, its all relative to our individual experience and what we consider "normal" in our lives. Your condition potentially getting worse shouldn't stop you from having kids, as your condition probably has a long way to go to get down to where most of the population is at currently. Whether you enjoy the ride, fight the collapse, or hail the apocalypse, someones gotta be around to keep this party going. If their born into late stage environmental collapse with nations fighting over the last scraps of arable land and drinkable water, well then that becomes their "normal" and theyll still find something to laugh about and someone to love. But at the end of the day it is your choice and you should do as you see best.
https://youtu.be/JXDrIvShZKU?si=SJZi6VLNjzPgvVXD
https://youtu.be/iq_76McFVLo?si=ys1zZE6mUe5LyaWT
You really threw bald people in there as the miserable, wretched of the earth.
Lol
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because otherwise who will fix this mess?
You do it. You're not gonna fuck a solution out. Why is it always "let the kids fix it"?
because it will take multiple generations to fix?
Humans are what are causing the mess, and you want to add more of them?
The earth does not care much about climate change, nor about humans. Nature will bounce back eventually. It always did.
Bringing kids into this world, who are educated and adapted will help humanity, not the earth.
only if their parents care enough to make sure they are educated and smart. we don't need more stupid people.
Good point. I guess the problem is that with humans it's always quantity over quality.
The "problem" being that the more educated people are, the fewer children they have and that's a correlation that actually holds pretty well.
The whole "people should have more children and make sure they are educated and smart" is self-contradictory: it's either more kids lower-education or fewer kids higher-education.
It's magical thinking to expect that the people capable of "making sure they're educated and smart" will have many children.
Humans and our cultural diversity are part of biodiversity which makes life beautiful, it's about balance. A longterm goal should be to save more space for other species, but we need educated young people to keep knowledge and tackle the legacy of the mess (among much else) left by their ancestors.