Israel says no exceptions to Gaza siege unless hostages freed

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Israel says no exceptions to Gaza siege unless hostages freed
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Egypt is letting in supplies but they refuse to let Palestineans leave through Egypt.

One of the Egyptian security sources, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters news agency that Egypt rejected the idea of safe corridors for civilians to protect “the right of Palestinians to hold on to their cause and their land”.

Evidently they care more about the political pressure Palestineans provide against Israel than they do keeping their fellow Arabs safe, and they don't want to deal with the negative effects of letting hostile refugees in. (That didn't work out well for Jordan or Lebanon.)

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood. Egypt has a long history of issues with the Muslim brotherhood. Some of it, in fact, just happened. They are not keen on more of that trouble.

They also know that the refugees will probably never be able to return to Gaza if they leave.

So innocents must be kept in danger against their will so that they can retain claims to their land. With allies like that who needs enemies?

Alternatively Israel could endeavor not to do things like flatten apartment buildings and whole city blocks.

If you were in charge of Israel right now, how would you respond? Just sending in troops without air support to pacify Gaza would presumably lead to a lot of deaths like it has in the past.

Do as Pakistan did when retaking occupied Swat from the Pakistan Taliban. Flood in soldiers and retake the territory. Of course Pakistan knew that their troops would behave themselves in Swat, I think the Israelis are worried what IDF soldiers might get up too.

Yes. Pakistani troops are definitely better trained and more controlled than the Israeli military. That sounds right. Also, you are overlooking some big differences. The civilian population could "easily" leave and did. And the Pakistani Taliban were an organized group of militants more easily separated from the general population.

No dumbass. What I meant was that the Pakistani Army specifically used natives of KPK in their attack, y'know so that it was certain that they would care about the civilians since they were the soldiers' own people. Obviously IDF soldiers do not consider Palestinian kin, as proven by the 200 or more Palestinians killed every year. And obviously the IDF couldn't give 2 shits about their conduct towards the Arabs.

And no the population didn't leave? Where the fuck did you get that from. It was bloody urban fighting all the way down the valley and up the glaciers and mountain sides. And no how would you separate the Taliban from the civilians, cause they were also mostly locals.

And yes Pakistani troops are better behaved in their own country. As proven by the ongoing military occupation of multiple northern territories as well as a mission to police Karachi. Go to currently occupied, previously Taliban controlled territory, every shop shutter is covered in Praise for the Army.

2.2 million were displaced and put into refugee camps. 1.6 million returned.

Also the IDF has Arab soldiers as well.

2.2 million compared to the 33 million population of the province of KPK. The same proportion in Gaza would be 120k people. Moreover, the token Arabs in the IDF are not comparable to the likes of the Frontier Corps, the Pakistan Rangers or the IX Corp.

There is a reason that Pakistan eventually fully integrated the 'federally administered' tribal areas. Just ask America what happens when you send in a bunch of troops that can't even begin to pronounce the language, nevermind understand local culture.

The Arab states don't want an influx of refugees, especially if that means a fraction of them will Islamist (Egypt in particular), but they also don't want to let Israel depopulate Palestinian territory by forced relocation of the residents into their countries.

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Egyptians are Africans. - Egypt right now.

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