The proposal, to recognize Indigenous people in the constitution and create an Indigenous body to advise government on policies that affect them, needed a majority nationally and in four of six states to pass.
No, it was to give the government of the day the power to create that body however they saw fit.
anytime the government seeks to expand it's powers you need to ask yourself "Do I want the other guys to exercise this power?"
Labor already listens to our elders, the voice only needed to force future conservative governments to do the same and it failed miserably.
Damn wouldn't want any "governments of the day" to receive advice on issues that affect communities that don't get a say in what happens to them.
Why do so many of you act like this was some kind of plot to supercede power and abuse it? It was an advisory council.
It was an advisory council.
It was going to be stacked with the illuminate
Edit: On second thought I really need to be sure people get it. Its sarcasm.
That wording is emotional manipulation, they are as recognised as any other Australian citizen
Edit: do you guys know the difference between "recognised" and "disadvantaged"? Because you're arguing against a point that I didn't make
No, it's not, native ppl don't live the same way as westerns, not acknowledging this is forcing them to live the way of colonizers. When you talk about sociological equality you are not talking about treating everyone the same, but respecting the differences, and this referendum is just forcing the colonizer way of living over the colonized without any dialogue, because creating the body would not mean actually a change, but even this is denied.
they are as recognised as any other Australian citizen
It's not what it seems, when you have a 17.5x more chance to the incarcerated only because where you were born, independently of why, it's clear that you is not like any other and there is a big gap between groups of power.
just forcing the colonizer way of living over the colonized without any dialogue,
People are welcome to live without permanent shelter, running water or modern medicine but I doubt they'll take that option.
Itâs not what it seems, when you have a 17.5x more chance to the incarcerated only because where you were born, independently of why, itâs clear that you is not like any other and there is a big gap between groups of power.
It's much more than where you were born, it's historical abuse and trauma from genocide so severe that communities simply don't function.
People are welcome to live without permanent shelter, running water or modern medicine but I doubt theyâll take that option.
And so? What is your point here?
native ppl donât live the same way as westerns
They do as soon as they're given the option.
What is your point here?
My point is that you're implying ATSI people would willingly go back to traditional hunter gatherer societies and forgo the so called "westerns" lifestyle.
Take a look at every single culture on the planet that isn't an uncontacted tribe. They literally all want to live like "westerns" as you put it, and frankly who wouldn't.
Wtf dude, you just don't know what you are talking about.
Implying that "if they want live their traditions they should not use medicine", also
Take a look at every single culture on the planet that isnât an uncontacted tribe. They literally all want to live like âwesternsâ as you put it, and frankly who wouldnât.
A lot of indigenous ppl around the world want to live in this way, you have tons of documentaries showing that. If tried to learn about the topic or talk with native ppl you would know that.
you are just a racist colonizer implying your values to others.
A lot of indigenous ppl around the world want to live in this way
And they're welcome to, but if they won't participate then they shouldn't reap the rewards of an advanced industrial society.
Jeez
The text of the proposed constitutional amendment can be found here. The entire extent of its "recognition" was to create a body that can make presentations to Parliament.
No, it was to give the government of the day the power to create that body however they saw fit.
anytime the government seeks to expand it's powers you need to ask yourself "Do I want the other guys to exercise this power?"
Labor already listens to our elders, the voice only needed to force future conservative governments to do the same and it failed miserably.
Damn wouldn't want any "governments of the day" to receive advice on issues that affect communities that don't get a say in what happens to them.
Why do so many of you act like this was some kind of plot to supercede power and abuse it? It was an advisory council.
It was going to be stacked with the illuminate
Edit: On second thought I really need to be sure people get it. Its sarcasm.
That wording is emotional manipulation, they are as recognised as any other Australian citizen
Edit: do you guys know the difference between "recognised" and "disadvantaged"? Because you're arguing against a point that I didn't make
No, it's not, native ppl don't live the same way as westerns, not acknowledging this is forcing them to live the way of colonizers. When you talk about sociological equality you are not talking about treating everyone the same, but respecting the differences, and this referendum is just forcing the colonizer way of living over the colonized without any dialogue, because creating the body would not mean actually a change, but even this is denied.
It's not what it seems, when you have a 17.5x more chance to the incarcerated only because where you were born, independently of why, it's clear that you is not like any other and there is a big gap between groups of power.
People are welcome to live without permanent shelter, running water or modern medicine but I doubt they'll take that option.
It's much more than where you were born, it's historical abuse and trauma from genocide so severe that communities simply don't function.
And so? What is your point here?
They do as soon as they're given the option.
My point is that you're implying ATSI people would willingly go back to traditional hunter gatherer societies and forgo the so called "westerns" lifestyle.
Take a look at every single culture on the planet that isn't an uncontacted tribe. They literally all want to live like "westerns" as you put it, and frankly who wouldn't.
Wtf dude, you just don't know what you are talking about. Implying that "if they want live their traditions they should not use medicine", also
A lot of indigenous ppl around the world want to live in this way, you have tons of documentaries showing that. If tried to learn about the topic or talk with native ppl you would know that.
you are just a racist colonizer implying your values to others.
And they're welcome to, but if they won't participate then they shouldn't reap the rewards of an advanced industrial society.