There is not a single war in the entire history of humankind were exclusively "the bad people" died.
So what you are actually saying is that specifically Israel is not allowed in partaking in war unless they somehow achieve what no one else ever achieved, which is a war without casualties.
With on top of it the added difficulty that Hamas is a terrorist group, so no "official" military targets.
Great, lets let the people who dont want to fight in this war leave.... ohh, that's right, they are all in prison and can't leave the "combat zone" which is... literally their prison.
The reason this conflict is very polarizing, is you have 1 million children/adolescents, 500k women, and 500k adult men locked in a box, no way out... They can't leave this conflict... they are trapped. If you were trapped in a room that was on fire, you would want to be let out....
It's not a war, it's a goddamn genocide. The Israeli government is making the same mistake the U.S. did in Iraq and as an American who protested the Iraq war as a kid, I watch what is happening and I shake my head in disappointment. 🤦
In this case though, the analogy is only correct if I was also repeatedly setting my own rooms and the rooms beside me on fire. On purpose.
Civilians are innocent. Can the actions of a few condemn the whole group?
If your in a house, that is on fire, would you want to be rescued even if there was a arsonist with you?
Collective punishment is nasty unjust business. Where do you draw the line on the group your punishing? And if the innocents harmed in the collective punishment decide to collectively punish you right back... that is just fair - right?
Is a war always collective punishment in your opinion, or just in this case? How is Palestine not also committing collective punishment?
Your constant calling of what about isn't serving you well.
If Hamas was engaged in a similar long term action against a large civilian population, there would be protests against them too.
For the last 21 days the majority of civilians suffering are in Gaza, so Gaza gets the protestors today.
Squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Saying the people of Gaza need to die to satisfy your thirst for revenge just means the cycle of killing wont end with you
Don't put words in my mouth, please. I don't have a "thirst for revenge" or am saying people in Gaza "need to die"!
It's you who wants Jewish civilians to just be murdered and kidnapped and Hamas get applauded for it. (Feels bad, right?)
In their enthusiastic zeal to defend Palestine people are incredibly apologetic towards Hamas and similar groups. And seem all to happy to forget the kind of politics Palestine puts on display. And that for several decades now.
I wish people would think more long-term and realistic instead of screaming at each other who is the bigger protector of the oppressed. It seems shallow to be honest, and not really in favour of a better situation.
Why is it so hard to agree that killing civilizations is bad and nobody should do it. Why does pointing out the Gazan civilians are dying have to be conditioned on anything else?
Point me to where I wrote civilizations should be killed.
You never say the words explicitly...
You simply say 'what else should Israel do'.
Your posting history never is about saving civilians.
Notice how you didn't agree with my last post that 'killing civilians is bad and no one should do it'. Do you agree with that?
Of course I do. When you are digging through my post history you should have seen that I said that multiple times already.
When I look through your post history, though, I don't see a shred of sympathy for Israelis. Just apologies for the atrocities Palestine is committing. Are these people not responsible for their own doing?
Your conflating the people of Palestine and Hamas. That's like balming Jews globally for the actions of the IDF.
Palestine is not committing atrocities, Hamas is. Most Palestinians don't live in Gaza, so the majority of Palestinians don't support Hamas.
Even in your last comment your assigning collective responsibility for individual actions. That's an implicit endorsement of collective punishment.
We're all humans, should we be killing random humans for the actions of Hamas?
For what it's worth, I'm very sympathetic to the Israeli civilians who've been killed. It's a terrible experience they went through. I don't wish that on anybody.
I did not however, have solidarity with the Israeli government policies, which created a situation where violence is inevitable
You still didn't answer the question and avoiding it. Seems almost like you don't condemn the violence and attacks towards Israel and Israelis and think they deserve it.
The majority of Palestinians in Palestine and other countries celebrate the attacks Hamas commits. I've seen it here on the streets in my neighborhood how they were giving out candy and laughing when Hamas murdered and kidnapped Israelis on the music festival and in the villages.
You just described why every war is bad.
There is not a single war in the entire history of humankind were exclusively "the bad people" died.
So what you are actually saying is that specifically Israel is not allowed in partaking in war unless they somehow achieve what no one else ever achieved, which is a war without casualties.
With on top of it the added difficulty that Hamas is a terrorist group, so no "official" military targets.
Great, lets let the people who dont want to fight in this war leave.... ohh, that's right, they are all in prison and can't leave the "combat zone" which is... literally their prison.
The reason this conflict is very polarizing, is you have 1 million children/adolescents, 500k women, and 500k adult men locked in a box, no way out... They can't leave this conflict... they are trapped. If you were trapped in a room that was on fire, you would want to be let out....
It's not a war, it's a goddamn genocide. The Israeli government is making the same mistake the U.S. did in Iraq and as an American who protested the Iraq war as a kid, I watch what is happening and I shake my head in disappointment. 🤦
In this case though, the analogy is only correct if I was also repeatedly setting my own rooms and the rooms beside me on fire. On purpose.
Civilians are innocent. Can the actions of a few condemn the whole group?
If your in a house, that is on fire, would you want to be rescued even if there was a arsonist with you?
Collective punishment is nasty unjust business. Where do you draw the line on the group your punishing? And if the innocents harmed in the collective punishment decide to collectively punish you right back... that is just fair - right?
Is a war always collective punishment in your opinion, or just in this case? How is Palestine not also committing collective punishment?
Your constant calling of what about isn't serving you well.
If Hamas was engaged in a similar long term action against a large civilian population, there would be protests against them too.
For the last 21 days the majority of civilians suffering are in Gaza, so Gaza gets the protestors today.
Squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Saying the people of Gaza need to die to satisfy your thirst for revenge just means the cycle of killing wont end with you
Don't put words in my mouth, please. I don't have a "thirst for revenge" or am saying people in Gaza "need to die"!
It's you who wants Jewish civilians to just be murdered and kidnapped and Hamas get applauded for it. (Feels bad, right?)
In their enthusiastic zeal to defend Palestine people are incredibly apologetic towards Hamas and similar groups. And seem all to happy to forget the kind of politics Palestine puts on display. And that for several decades now.
I wish people would think more long-term and realistic instead of screaming at each other who is the bigger protector of the oppressed. It seems shallow to be honest, and not really in favour of a better situation.
Why is it so hard to agree that killing civilizations is bad and nobody should do it. Why does pointing out the Gazan civilians are dying have to be conditioned on anything else?
Point me to where I wrote civilizations should be killed.
You never say the words explicitly...
You simply say 'what else should Israel do'.
Your posting history never is about saving civilians.
Notice how you didn't agree with my last post that 'killing civilians is bad and no one should do it'. Do you agree with that?
Of course I do. When you are digging through my post history you should have seen that I said that multiple times already.
When I look through your post history, though, I don't see a shred of sympathy for Israelis. Just apologies for the atrocities Palestine is committing. Are these people not responsible for their own doing?
Your conflating the people of Palestine and Hamas. That's like balming Jews globally for the actions of the IDF.
Palestine is not committing atrocities, Hamas is. Most Palestinians don't live in Gaza, so the majority of Palestinians don't support Hamas.
Even in your last comment your assigning collective responsibility for individual actions. That's an implicit endorsement of collective punishment.
We're all humans, should we be killing random humans for the actions of Hamas?
For what it's worth, I'm very sympathetic to the Israeli civilians who've been killed. It's a terrible experience they went through. I don't wish that on anybody.
I did not however, have solidarity with the Israeli government policies, which created a situation where violence is inevitable
You still didn't answer the question and avoiding it. Seems almost like you don't condemn the violence and attacks towards Israel and Israelis and think they deserve it.
The majority of Palestinians in Palestine and other countries celebrate the attacks Hamas commits. I've seen it here on the streets in my neighborhood how they were giving out candy and laughing when Hamas murdered and kidnapped Israelis on the music festival and in the villages.