i think she's thinking "now's a good time for a green president" or maybe "now is a good time for an antiwar president" or "now is a good time for a woman president". but what do i know? i'm just gonna vote for her.
now is a good time for an antiwar president
Then maybe pick someone who doesn't support Russia's war of imperial conquest against Ukraine.
jill stein doesn't support any war.
I mean, her tweet on it is as close as you can get to supporting it without saying you support it.
she's not the guest of honor. she's just a RT contributor who got invited and paid her own way. this isn't the OWN that Rachel maddow thinks it is.
She's literally sitting at the same table as Vladimir Putin. You think that have open seating at these events? Fucking Gorbachev was at that dinner and wasn't even at that table. And yes, this all took place after Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014.
If you're gonna advocate for Stein you're going to have to come up with something a little bit more convincing.
do you think she got to choose her table partner?
There's a very easy way to not end up sitting a dinner table with murderous dictator war criminals and traitors: don't go to dinner with them in the first place.
This isn't exactly rocket science.
do you think that they gave her the guest list?
Yes, in fact I do. Are you suggesting she was somehow tricked into attending a Russian propaganda event?
Try harder.
I think that she's a regular contributor to RT. she went to their anniversary dinner. she paid her own way. she had no way of knowing who would be there or who she would be sat with.
Are you fucking stupid or just full on tankie? What she said is the equivalent to when someone starts a statement with "I'm not racist but..."
She says it was a mild response? A response to what? What forced Russia to invade? Did Ukraine start pointing nukes at Russia? Fuck no. That was Russian apologist propaganda.
you're robbing it of context. she's talking about Western foreign policy.
Oh. Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. The west made Russia invade Ukraine. They had to do it. Because of the west. Fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid you sound?
you're constructing a straw man. that's not what I said. that's not what she said.
She literally said they only invaded because they had a gun to their head and the response was relatively moderate. You said she is talking about western foreign policy. I built no straw man. You both just said that shit. No one pointed shit at Russia. Russia didn't like the new government in Ukraine. Took over crimea. Trump was in office so the response was meh. So then Putin went for round 2. And she said it was in response to being threatened. And was a moderate response.
Why don't you take your tankie ass to Ukraine and see the moderate response first hand.
Putin took crimea under obama
You're correct. I conflated that time period. Obama pushed for and got sanctions against Russia. Then Trump said it was ok that Russia annexed crimea, undermined the sanctions, and removed talk of Ukraine sovereignty from the party platform.
My bad.
your tankie ass
baby, I'm an anarchist
I really have to stop arguing political theory with little kids. It's bad for my blood pressure.
But just one more thing, how does anarchy protect minority groups from mob rule? How do you keep a smooth talking fascist from implementing a populist fascist movement? What does protection even mean in the context of anarchy? Or did you just watch batman too much and decided the joker was really cool?
condescending doesn't make you right, but it says a great deal about your character and willingness or ability to engage in good faith
But just one more thing, how does anarchy protect minority groups from mob rule? How do you keep a smooth talking fascist from implementing a populist fascist movement? What does protection even mean in the context of anarchy?
liberal democracies haven't fixed any of these problems and are, themselves, breeding grounds for fascism.
Are you fucking stupid or just full on tankie?
false dichotomy: I'm an educated anti fascist.
I mean you apparently can't read one full tweet from a Russian asset, so why don't we just hold off on that educated claim. Wouldn't want you to get in trouble for false advertising.
Jill stein isn't a Russian asset.
Her: "Yeah, weed is illegal, but everyone does it, it should be legal, it has great health benefits, I take it daily."
You: "She's against weed. She said weed is illegal."
she didn't say it should be legal.
I mean, in the primaries, I'll vote for whomever I personally like. But when Biden inevitably wins the nomination, I'll be voting for him, because it's either him or fascism. That's not a hard choice to make.
since he is a fascist it's no choice at all.
How is Biden a fascist? What do you think that word means?
fascism is a reactionary ideology the arose in response to leftist ideology like libertarian socialism or communism. a fascist society is strictly stratified and forces every institution to serve the interests of the state. liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. look at the war on drugs or the cias war on communism. then look at every opportunity Biden had to endorse them or hinder them over the last 50 years.
That's not what fascism is (or at least, it's too broad of a definition). I think you're responding in good faith, so:
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Being reactionary is a facet of Conservatism, and being on the political right itself, can have considerable overlap with fascism, but fascism itself need not be reactionary.
But Biden supporting the war on drugs, for example, doesn't make him a fascist. It makes him a supporter of a partial police state, sure, but that's still not the same thing. Additionally, he's made considerable effort to promote democracy, something a fascist wouldn't do. And if he was a fascist, he would be a darling of the extreme right politicians and media, the "Democrat they always wished for." Instead, they are doing everything they can to invent evidence to impeach him.
Biden is a self-avowed Zionist, and part of old-guard-Democrats who support(ed) some awful policies. But there is no way you can honestly construe him as being cut from the same cloth as Hitler or Trump.
I don't see him as Hitler or trump. I see him as mussolini.
he never made any effort to promote democracy.
He most definitely has. Practically every major national address, he's promoted going out and voting. He literally made an executive order to promote access to voting. Encouraging voting for everyone equally is not the hallmark of a fascist. Ensuring only your own people get to vote is (see Republican efforts to suppress voters, Trump and crew's efforts to overturn the election, etc.)
I'm not sure where you've been, but Biden is far from being a fascist. You don't have to like him, but calling him a fascist is simply untrue.
i think she's thinking "now's a good time for a green president" or maybe "now is a good time for an antiwar president" or "now is a good time for a woman president". but what do i know? i'm just gonna vote for her.
Then maybe pick someone who doesn't support Russia's war of imperial conquest against Ukraine.
jill stein doesn't support any war.
I mean, her tweet on it is as close as you can get to supporting it without saying you support it.
https://x.com/DrJillStein/status/1629226431006875651?s=20
she called it an illegal invasion.
Here's a picture of Jill Stein sitting as the guest of honor with Vladimir Putin and disgraced US General Michael Flynn in 2015, one year after the Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea (Ukraine).
You were saying?
she's not the guest of honor. she's just a RT contributor who got invited and paid her own way. this isn't the OWN that Rachel maddow thinks it is.
She's literally sitting at the same table as Vladimir Putin. You think that have open seating at these events? Fucking Gorbachev was at that dinner and wasn't even at that table. And yes, this all took place after Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014.
If you're gonna advocate for Stein you're going to have to come up with something a little bit more convincing.
do you think she got to choose her table partner?
There's a very easy way to not end up sitting a dinner table with murderous dictator war criminals and traitors: don't go to dinner with them in the first place.
This isn't exactly rocket science.
do you think that they gave her the guest list?
Yes, in fact I do. Are you suggesting she was somehow tricked into attending a Russian propaganda event?
Try harder.
I think that she's a regular contributor to RT. she went to their anniversary dinner. she paid her own way. she had no way of knowing who would be there or who she would be sat with.
Are you fucking stupid or just full on tankie? What she said is the equivalent to when someone starts a statement with "I'm not racist but..."
She says it was a mild response? A response to what? What forced Russia to invade? Did Ukraine start pointing nukes at Russia? Fuck no. That was Russian apologist propaganda.
you're robbing it of context. she's talking about Western foreign policy.
Oh. Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. The west made Russia invade Ukraine. They had to do it. Because of the west. Fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid you sound?
you're constructing a straw man. that's not what I said. that's not what she said.
She literally said they only invaded because they had a gun to their head and the response was relatively moderate. You said she is talking about western foreign policy. I built no straw man. You both just said that shit. No one pointed shit at Russia. Russia didn't like the new government in Ukraine. Took over crimea. Trump was in office so the response was meh. So then Putin went for round 2. And she said it was in response to being threatened. And was a moderate response.
Why don't you take your tankie ass to Ukraine and see the moderate response first hand.
Putin took crimea under obama
You're correct. I conflated that time period. Obama pushed for and got sanctions against Russia. Then Trump said it was ok that Russia annexed crimea, undermined the sanctions, and removed talk of Ukraine sovereignty from the party platform.
My bad.
baby, I'm an anarchist
I really have to stop arguing political theory with little kids. It's bad for my blood pressure.
But just one more thing, how does anarchy protect minority groups from mob rule? How do you keep a smooth talking fascist from implementing a populist fascist movement? What does protection even mean in the context of anarchy? Or did you just watch batman too much and decided the joker was really cool?
condescending doesn't make you right, but it says a great deal about your character and willingness or ability to engage in good faith
liberal democracies haven't fixed any of these problems and are, themselves, breeding grounds for fascism.
false dichotomy: I'm an educated anti fascist.
I mean you apparently can't read one full tweet from a Russian asset, so why don't we just hold off on that educated claim. Wouldn't want you to get in trouble for false advertising.
Jill stein isn't a Russian asset.
Her: "Yeah, weed is illegal, but everyone does it, it should be legal, it has great health benefits, I take it daily."
You: "She's against weed. She said weed is illegal."
she didn't say it should be legal.
I mean, in the primaries, I'll vote for whomever I personally like. But when Biden inevitably wins the nomination, I'll be voting for him, because it's either him or fascism. That's not a hard choice to make.
since he is a fascist it's no choice at all.
How is Biden a fascist? What do you think that word means?
fascism is a reactionary ideology the arose in response to leftist ideology like libertarian socialism or communism. a fascist society is strictly stratified and forces every institution to serve the interests of the state. liberal democracies are breeding grounds for fascism. look at the war on drugs or the cias war on communism. then look at every opportunity Biden had to endorse them or hinder them over the last 50 years.
That's not what fascism is (or at least, it's too broad of a definition). I think you're responding in good faith, so:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Being reactionary is a facet of Conservatism, and being on the political right itself, can have considerable overlap with fascism, but fascism itself need not be reactionary.
But Biden supporting the war on drugs, for example, doesn't make him a fascist. It makes him a supporter of a partial police state, sure, but that's still not the same thing. Additionally, he's made considerable effort to promote democracy, something a fascist wouldn't do. And if he was a fascist, he would be a darling of the extreme right politicians and media, the "Democrat they always wished for." Instead, they are doing everything they can to invent evidence to impeach him.
Biden is a self-avowed Zionist, and part of old-guard-Democrats who support(ed) some awful policies. But there is no way you can honestly construe him as being cut from the same cloth as Hitler or Trump.
I don't see him as Hitler or trump. I see him as mussolini.
he never made any effort to promote democracy.
He most definitely has. Practically every major national address, he's promoted going out and voting. He literally made an executive order to promote access to voting. Encouraging voting for everyone equally is not the hallmark of a fascist. Ensuring only your own people get to vote is (see Republican efforts to suppress voters, Trump and crew's efforts to overturn the election, etc.)
I'm not sure where you've been, but Biden is far from being a fascist. You don't have to like him, but calling him a fascist is simply untrue.