Gatekeeping is important for these kinds of discussions. If I tried to speak authoritatively on chemistry, for example, it would matter if I understood the content being discussed.
In this case, the individual believes hundreds of millions of dollars has been put into researching and developing the Google Play store… I take issue with that, having built similar for internal systems at a fraction of that cost.
Right. Typically you'd sus out whether or not they're qualified to speak about these things by listening to what they have to say instead of immediately implying they don't know what they're talking about asking them to confirm their qualifications, but maybe you just handle social dynamics differently.
Curious, since you're comparing what you created to the play store, how many staff did you have working on your version, and how many years have you maintained it for?
Neither of those expenses fall into “research and development,” so would have no bearing on the discussion at hand.
So just to get this straight, you are arguing semantics, because you are excluding software development from research and development. I have no strong feelings about that, because I work exclusively in an r&d shop so everything I do is r&d, so I've lost sight of where the line is drawn. Seems silly though.
Additionally, you are citing your personal experience developing what you claim to be a similar system yet you haven't shared details that can be used by others to confirm your experience is comparable to that of setting up and running the Google play store.
Is that right?
See the latter part is what suggests to everyone else that you're not qualified to be contributing to this conversation. Share your experiences to convince folks you know what you're talking about.
Or, I guess we can do things your way.
"Do you actually know anything about software engineering?"
See how much more productive one way is than the other?
Ongoing maintenance is literally part of system upkeep. You don’t include that in R&D costs. That’s akin to including power as a R&D cost.
Total staff involved in development? IIRC that wasn’t your original question, I believe you said something like “total users” or “total staff” in a way that could very easily be read as “how many people are involved today” which is a very different question.
Software development would obviously be included in the R&D cost, while total staff running the system after development would absolutely not be.
Why didn’t I provide information on the project? Because it would be so generalized due to NDA that it wouldn’t be useful. Here, let’s give it a go: The project in question was for a corporation with around half a million users. Serving internal applications to a large number of device types, though admittedly piggybacking on some external infrastructure since OS’s like iOS explicitly disallow self signing applications.
Admittedly, this pales in comparison to the PlayStore which is installed on billions of devices, though you won’t find many who have worked on something scaled that massive.
Did that explanation help? No of course not, because it provided so little information that it’s all but useless. It also doesn’t actually show that I know what I’m talking about. How was I involved? Was I a useful worker? How long was I part of the project?
Your question is just a long winded way of asking what I already did.
Ah, I was referring to maintenance as in the software development you need to do to maintain a competitive service for 15 years. Something like Google play wasn't just "set it and forget it", it's continually been updated. That falls under r&d.
No, I just meant how many software engineers you had working under you. I'm barely transitioning from doing pure development to also being in charge of managing some projects, and the one thing I learned on this end is that engineers are expensive :)
That's actually hugely helpful! It's a wide customer base, and there are multiple device types. That's pretty big! Folks now know that you at least have dealt with something in a similar vein as the Google play store. Are you allowed to say if it was spun up internally or vendor provided?
Even though you could have answered your own question with this, here's what I believe the difference lies: did you feel like I was gatekeeping you when I asked for more details about your experience?
Gatekeeping is important for these kinds of discussions. If I tried to speak authoritatively on chemistry, for example, it would matter if I understood the content being discussed.
In this case, the individual believes hundreds of millions of dollars has been put into researching and developing the Google Play store… I take issue with that, having built similar for internal systems at a fraction of that cost.
Right. Typically you'd sus out whether or not they're qualified to speak about these things by listening to what they have to say instead of immediately
implying they don't know what they're talking aboutasking them to confirm their qualifications, but maybe you just handle social dynamics differently.Curious, since you're comparing what you created to the play store, how many staff did you have working on your version, and how many years have you maintained it for?
Neither of those expenses fall into “research and development,” so would have no bearing on the discussion at hand.
So just to get this straight, you are arguing semantics, because you are excluding software development from research and development. I have no strong feelings about that, because I work exclusively in an r&d shop so everything I do is r&d, so I've lost sight of where the line is drawn. Seems silly though.
Additionally, you are citing your personal experience developing what you claim to be a similar system yet you haven't shared details that can be used by others to confirm your experience is comparable to that of setting up and running the Google play store.
Is that right?
See the latter part is what suggests to everyone else that you're not qualified to be contributing to this conversation. Share your experiences to convince folks you know what you're talking about.
Or, I guess we can do things your way.
"Do you actually know anything about software engineering?"
See how much more productive one way is than the other?
Ongoing maintenance is literally part of system upkeep. You don’t include that in R&D costs. That’s akin to including power as a R&D cost.
Total staff involved in development? IIRC that wasn’t your original question, I believe you said something like “total users” or “total staff” in a way that could very easily be read as “how many people are involved today” which is a very different question.
Software development would obviously be included in the R&D cost, while total staff running the system after development would absolutely not be.
Why didn’t I provide information on the project? Because it would be so generalized due to NDA that it wouldn’t be useful. Here, let’s give it a go: The project in question was for a corporation with around half a million users. Serving internal applications to a large number of device types, though admittedly piggybacking on some external infrastructure since OS’s like iOS explicitly disallow self signing applications.
Admittedly, this pales in comparison to the PlayStore which is installed on billions of devices, though you won’t find many who have worked on something scaled that massive.
Did that explanation help? No of course not, because it provided so little information that it’s all but useless. It also doesn’t actually show that I know what I’m talking about. How was I involved? Was I a useful worker? How long was I part of the project?
Your question is just a long winded way of asking what I already did.
Ah, I was referring to maintenance as in the software development you need to do to maintain a competitive service for 15 years. Something like Google play wasn't just "set it and forget it", it's continually been updated. That falls under r&d.
No, I just meant how many software engineers you had working under you. I'm barely transitioning from doing pure development to also being in charge of managing some projects, and the one thing I learned on this end is that engineers are expensive :)
That's actually hugely helpful! It's a wide customer base, and there are multiple device types. That's pretty big! Folks now know that you at least have dealt with something in a similar vein as the Google play store. Are you allowed to say if it was spun up internally or vendor provided?
Even though you could have answered your own question with this, here's what I believe the difference lies: did you feel like I was gatekeeping you when I asked for more details about your experience?