Right. Because south africa has absolutely no agency of our own, right? We can't do anything worthwhile without european or white masters /s
I suppose the colonial mindset hasn't left all south africans
As a complete outsider, it's not looking great at the moment.
The ANC simply has sold out to new masters. They are all very black ownership and empowerment when it comes to giving tenders to companies, but the moment the russians or the Chinese are involved and the bribes get paid, all those principles are out the window.
No one is denying that south africa has a corruption problem. But that doesn't mean that SA's stance against israel on the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is because Russia or China told us so.
You're conflating the two issues. There is absolute disgust and anger at the israelis and absolute empathy towards the Palestinians because we went through the same brutalisation and dehumanisation by a racist radicalised minority government that the Palestinians are going through right now.
I would say that the Palestinians are actually subjected to worse than what south africans were subjected to. And that's really saying something, because we know how awful apartheid was and how much brutalisation we were subject to during apartheid.
I think you're ignoring that the south african government ( minus the DA and and their allies) and the people of south africa support the palestinians because we recognise exactly what an apartheid oppressor state looks like, and we recognise israel as being an apartheid oppresssor.
Aparheid wasn't that long ago that we've forgotten what it was like. We're still living through the repercussions of it, and will be for many years to come. We know the palestinian people are living through the same. And when they're free of the israeli apartheid inflicted on them they'll have to live with the repercussions of that for many generations.
It's empathy that south africa is feeling.
I agree with you, so let me clarify
In my experience South African people feel very much the way you are describing and rightly so.
But when it comes to the ANC, they only do things that are to their personal benefit, there is no humanity there. If they do the right thing, it's purely an accident.
They are a kakistocracy and a parasitic government. They add no value and they do not protect its citizens. At least since the early-mid 2000's.
Ok i see, i think i understand what your position is now. I don't fully agree but i can respect it.
Right. Because south africa has absolutely no agency of our own, right? We can't do anything worthwhile without european or white masters /s
I suppose the colonial mindset hasn't left all south africans
As a complete outsider, it's not looking great at the moment.
The ANC simply has sold out to new masters. They are all very black ownership and empowerment when it comes to giving tenders to companies, but the moment the russians or the Chinese are involved and the bribes get paid, all those principles are out the window.
No one is denying that south africa has a corruption problem. But that doesn't mean that SA's stance against israel on the ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians is because Russia or China told us so.
You're conflating the two issues. There is absolute disgust and anger at the israelis and absolute empathy towards the Palestinians because we went through the same brutalisation and dehumanisation by a racist radicalised minority government that the Palestinians are going through right now.
I would say that the Palestinians are actually subjected to worse than what south africans were subjected to. And that's really saying something, because we know how awful apartheid was and how much brutalisation we were subject to during apartheid.
I think you're ignoring that the south african government ( minus the DA and and their allies) and the people of south africa support the palestinians because we recognise exactly what an apartheid oppressor state looks like, and we recognise israel as being an apartheid oppresssor.
Aparheid wasn't that long ago that we've forgotten what it was like. We're still living through the repercussions of it, and will be for many years to come. We know the palestinian people are living through the same. And when they're free of the israeli apartheid inflicted on them they'll have to live with the repercussions of that for many generations.
It's empathy that south africa is feeling.
I agree with you, so let me clarify
In my experience South African people feel very much the way you are describing and rightly so.
But when it comes to the ANC, they only do things that are to their personal benefit, there is no humanity there. If they do the right thing, it's purely an accident.
They are a kakistocracy and a parasitic government. They add no value and they do not protect its citizens. At least since the early-mid 2000's.
Ok i see, i think i understand what your position is now. I don't fully agree but i can respect it.