YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities
Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.
Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170
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Rationally I think this is straight bullshit. Their inability to moderate is because of the desire to control the political direction of topics. If people want an echo chamber, fine, but I'm calling it out.
Yes, that was always allowed. Beehaw is extremely up front about the kinds of voices and perspectives welcome on it. It never claimed to be a bastion of free speech. Complaining about that is like saying you don't like a burger restaurant because they don't serve sushi.
Dude this is a discussion based website, and you're complaining about me complaining? Pot meet kettle.
I think it was Alexander Pope who once said that bad criticism does more harm than bad writing. Same principle applies here. Your criticism is bad. You don't like getting "called out on it," then make a better one.
Dude I'm voicing my opinion. You apparently don't even disagree you just dislike like I'm expressing it? What's your deal?
Your opinion encompasses a criticism of another Lemmy community on the basis that it doesn't operate in a way that you like. Which is fine. But you framed it as a fault of the community itself and not a matter of personal preference. My "deal" is that I don't think that's very cash money of you, pimp.
I don't give two fucks what you think about the "framing" of what I've said. Would you get upset if someone said "McDonald's is shit food" or "Reality TV is shit television"?
Anyways, your criticism has absolutely nothing to do with the content of my comment. You've said you agree with me so 🤷♀️
I guess it depends on the context. If someone said that McDonald's quality was fine for the amount of money you spent and is a fine choice if you're traveling and need to grab something quick to eat and your immediate reply was just that it was shit, I would say that if your opinion is given as a response to someone else's and is poorly worded or thought out, you've automatically opened yourself to having your opinion criticized.
That said, do you not recall that your original response in this thread was to someone who said about Beehaw
And you disagreed with THEIR opinion?
This entire thing is me thinking your opinion is bad, while your original comment was you saying you think someone else's opinion is bad.
Pot, meet kettle.
Dude you've provided exactly zero counterpoints to my position. You think my opinion is bad, fine.
Except, I did. Your claim is that Beehaw is authoritarian. Authoritarianism, however, is a political system. This is an explicit example of hyperbole to the point of misrepresentation because authoritarianism presumably ignores the sovereignty and political rights of the members of a nation state. Beehaw is just a website, one in which you can voluntarily participate, but one in which you're also neither product nor customer. You have no valid claim to any tangible rights on that server. It's much closer to just disliking a restaurant because it doesn't serve the food you want and asks you to leave after you keep ordering stuff they just don't serve. If you want to be able to say slurs or whatever without repercussion, there's plenty of places on the internet you can get your kicks by doing that. You just can't do it there.
Dude you're aware admins/mods are governing bodies right? Authoritarianism applies. If you don't like how I use the word, tough.
By your logic, any position in any institution with any authority of any kind over literally anything or anyone is a "governing body." Which is, to be perfectly honest, very dumb if you genuinely believe that. It means any moderator of any website is, by your definition, authoritarian because they'll ban you for breaking the rules. I'm guessing you think lemmy.ca, lemmy.world, and every other lemmy instance with any kind of moderation is by definition authoritarian in its organization. In which case, I have to wonder...why are you even here if you hate it so much?
Not by my logic, that's how it is, admins govern over communities.
I can understand why my perspective upsets you, you're controlling my dude.
Fine, I just don't get the echo chamber feeling but admittedly I only use beehive for gaming/anime/escapism hobby related communities so I haven't seen it being all about conteolling politics, at least not directly.
At the end of the day I barely get what you mean by controlling politics, since it is not apparent on the communities I visit. Also keep in mind, I'm not american so if this is about the culture war over there or a republicans vs democrats thing I probably won't notice it since it hasn't affected any discussion I've had.
But I would need concrete examples for me to see it as authoritarian because in a vacuum as I explained I can see communities pulling this kind of conduct without it being about controlling the discourse per se but more about helping communities.
Edit: forgot to say, but if it was over politics I don't think that would necessitate a ban lemmy.world (or alternative ly that would mean complete defederation) since it has no clear political affiliation, I see it just it being massive and difficult to moderate otherwise they would have targeted many other toxic instances way before touching .world.
So if you take Reveddit, and go look at Reddit communities you'll see massive political disparity in how comments are moderated. Go look at beehaw modlogs and you'll see the same thing.
If you personally aren't able to see the bias in moderating, sorry I don't know how to teach that.