I can guarantee you that Oregon is absolutely not looking at Idaho.
Idaho chose to be antivax, then flooded Oregon/Washington hospitals for treatment.
Idaho chose to restrict women's health services, then medical staff ran off to work in Oregon/Washington.
While OR/WA chose to increase hourly pay, Idaho chose against it.
The average Idaho citizen is absolutely worse off than their neighbor.
You must live in western Oregon then, because practically the entire eastern half of Oregon counties have approved ballot measures to secede from the state and join Idaho.
It shows how much people are fueled by culture war nonsense in rural Oregon. I lived in one of the counties that voted to join Idaho and I never heard a single reason from anybody that was reasonable. It was all based on far right talking points about transing the kids or taking the guns. Meanwhile stuff like minimum wage that would actually affect everyone was just ignored.
When people vote for something I agree with = well informed, responsible, mature adults making the right choice.
When people vote for something I disagree with = braindead, deluded, immature savages falling victim to propaganda.
You don't have to be stupid to fall victim to propaganda. It happens to literally everyone, every single living human being, in the modern age. We are being assaulted from all sides at all times with conflicting information.
Yes but that doesn't mean everyone who votes a certain way is a victim of propaganda. Believe it or not, it's actually possible to take in the arguments from both sides and then make up your mind independently of what those around you think.
Yea idk, when I disagree with something it’s usually because I’ve given it the chance to convince me and it failed. And if I agree with something it’s because I’ve taken the time to understand it. It would be a bit weird to not feel like things I agree with are the right, or better, direction and that the things I disagree with are somehow broken in their reasoning.
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again?
I'm struggling to understand, are you suggesting you just keep thinking about it until you get a specific belief about it? How does that sound good?
One day you'll understand. Hopefully not too late.
That's supremely condescending. You could help me understand but instead you're literally just doing what you say others do, assuming anyone who doesn't believe the same way you do isn't thinking about it long enough.
Well, let’s say I had a feeling that if I had answered “yes, basically”, then you might have given a condescending response instead. Apologies if I misjudged you.
And no, I’m not suggesting that everyone believe exactly as I do, merely that it is possible to change your beliefs regardless of evidence. Propaganda makes use of this all the time.
Then it sounds like I also misjudged you. I probably saw a subtext that you were wanting the earlier commenter to believe the way you did and that they just hadn't tried hard enough. Probably just a disconnect at the "if at first you don't succeed" part.
I appreciate your candor and kindness.
Life before death friend. Life is too short to die on a hill where I'm shown to be wrong.
I can guarantee you that Oregon is absolutely not looking at Idaho.
Idaho chose to be antivax, then flooded Oregon/Washington hospitals for treatment.
Idaho chose to restrict women's health services, then medical staff ran off to work in Oregon/Washington.
While OR/WA chose to increase hourly pay, Idaho chose against it.
The average Idaho citizen is absolutely worse off than their neighbor.
You must live in western Oregon then, because practically the entire eastern half of Oregon counties have approved ballot measures to secede from the state and join Idaho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Idaho_movement
It shows how much people are fueled by culture war nonsense in rural Oregon. I lived in one of the counties that voted to join Idaho and I never heard a single reason from anybody that was reasonable. It was all based on far right talking points about transing the kids or taking the guns. Meanwhile stuff like minimum wage that would actually affect everyone was just ignored.
When people vote for something I agree with = well informed, responsible, mature adults making the right choice.
When people vote for something I disagree with = braindead, deluded, immature savages falling victim to propaganda.
You don't have to be stupid to fall victim to propaganda. It happens to literally everyone, every single living human being, in the modern age. We are being assaulted from all sides at all times with conflicting information.
Yes but that doesn't mean everyone who votes a certain way is a victim of propaganda. Believe it or not, it's actually possible to take in the arguments from both sides and then make up your mind independently of what those around you think.
Yea idk, when I disagree with something it’s usually because I’ve given it the chance to convince me and it failed. And if I agree with something it’s because I’ve taken the time to understand it. It would be a bit weird to not feel like things I agree with are the right, or better, direction and that the things I disagree with are somehow broken in their reasoning.
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again?
I'm struggling to understand, are you suggesting you just keep thinking about it until you get a specific belief about it? How does that sound good?
One day you'll understand. Hopefully not too late.
That's supremely condescending. You could help me understand but instead you're literally just doing what you say others do, assuming anyone who doesn't believe the same way you do isn't thinking about it long enough.
Well, let’s say I had a feeling that if I had answered “yes, basically”, then you might have given a condescending response instead. Apologies if I misjudged you.
And no, I’m not suggesting that everyone believe exactly as I do, merely that it is possible to change your beliefs regardless of evidence. Propaganda makes use of this all the time.
Then it sounds like I also misjudged you. I probably saw a subtext that you were wanting the earlier commenter to believe the way you did and that they just hadn't tried hard enough. Probably just a disconnect at the "if at first you don't succeed" part.
I appreciate your candor and kindness.
Life before death friend. Life is too short to die on a hill where I'm shown to be wrong.
Eastern WA too. The conservatives want nothing to do with the west side.
I was hoping someone would mention it because I happen to have the perfect meme for this.
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Oregon/Washington getting all the educated medical personnel sounds like a great deal for them
It is and I’m glad to be here right now.
Could you explain that to the eastern half of Oregon that unironically suggested switching to become part of Idaho about a year ago?