I know Pelosi is one of the magats' favorite talking points, but last time I saw Pelosi's market gains posted, she wasn't even in the top 10 of Congressfucks rigging their investments, and it wasn't close to being a one party issue.
What the right doesn't get is that the left wants this corruption to stop, even when the corruption is from the same side. The GOP only wants the other side to be held accountable
the left wants this corruption to stop, even when the corruption is from the same side
This is very confusing. The left absolutely does want it to stop but centrist Dems do not. The left is not on the same side as Pelosi.
I was talking about the voting base, and how dem voters are willing to criticize the dem electorate, while GOP voters (even leaving MAGA aside, bc they're a lost cause to the cult) don't hold their representatives accountable.
Dem voters are the Dem electorate. Did you mean Dem representatives?
And you're still eliding the difference between the left and centre-right. Left and centre-left voters are willing to criticise Dem politicians. The centre is not. And, while hypocrisy absolutely is a characteristic of the right because they know how power works, it's nonsense to suggest that the entirety of the Dem electoral coalition holds its representatives to account. It doesn't, not least because a large proportion are in on the grift. And that's why we're having another global fascist spasm. Liberals refuse to challenge power, not least because they like its perks and also believe that those perks should exist.
Right, I meant elected instead of electorate.
I don't think a large portion of the dem voter base benefits from the grift that the dem politicians are participating in. If they were rich and wanted to benefit, they'd just vote GOP. Don't get me wrong, the rich who vote dem absolutely benefit from the corporate center of the party (which is most of it), but the wealthy class is a tiny proportion on both sides and I was talking about the majority.
And I think you're giving too much credit to the GOP voters by saying they "know how power works". The vast majority of them are useful idiots taken in by culture war nonsense continually voting against their self interest.
I didn't say GOP voters know how power works.
And there is barely any difference in the proportion of rich people voting GOP or Dem. 1-2% in the 2020 exit polls. In 2016, Clinton had swings in her favour amongst the very rich, and larger swings against amongst lower income and POC voters. Not because they switched to the GOP but because she gave them no reason to turn out.
You're projecting your ideal onto a party which relies on the very wealthy to fund their politics. And they can do that because it is how power works and why they do not want to challenge power.
Stop confusing the left with the centre. The necessity of the electoral coalition is precisely a result of power, and its ability to silence the left while pandering to the right.
“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” – Chuck Schumer, 2016
You're projecting your ideal onto a party which relies on the very wealthy to fund their politics.
I'm not talking about the rich, because while they wield outsized clout in what their parties do, they're a tiny percentage of the population and consequently voters. All I'm saying is the vast majority of dem voters (they're not wealthy and they don't benefit from the grifting that the majority that the dem pols do) are willing to criticize dems. The opposite is not true--most GOP voters, who also don't benefit from anything the GOP elected does, will never speak a word against the people in office.
Yeah, sure. Wealthy people don't have any power, even with all those newspapers and TV channels they own, or the politicians relying on them for donations and cushy jobs once they're out of office.
I refer you back to the Schumer quote and beg you to wise the fuck up. You cannot understand anything about this world if you do not understand how power works.
Dude I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Poor people make up the majority of the country and poor dem voters criticize dem pols. Poor gop voters don't criticize gop pols. That was the entire meaning of my original comment.
The last time I checked, the right disowned that musician for clarifying that he was criticizing the wealthy right as well as the wealthy left. He was disowned by conservatives as soon as they realized he was criticizing them too.
I think you are being weirdly aggressive in your approach to "debate", if a debate is even what is happening here. This guy is not your enemy. You should focus that anger where it's needed, at an actual enemy.
The actual enemy being liberals who deliver us to fascism every fucking time. Don't ever lose sight of that.
Maybe the left like you and me do, on the ground, but I guarantee that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are just fine with how things are right now.
Yeah I was thinking more about left voters instead of pols. Almost everyone in congress is fine with the corruption. But right wing voters hardly ever criticize their own, let alone the maga cultists
Right-wingers who are critical of Trump get plenty of airtime. Left-wingers who are critical of Dems, not so much.
It’s that part of the fascist playbook where the enemy is weak and dangerous at the same time.
So? You approve of the behavior? That sounds like "what aboutism", ignoring the point. Unless you have a spare 500k to send to me showing how little you care because it's insignificant.
I know Pelosi is one of the magats' favorite talking points, but last time I saw Pelosi's market gains posted, she wasn't even in the top 10 of Congressfucks rigging their investments, and it wasn't close to being a one party issue.
What the right doesn't get is that the left wants this corruption to stop, even when the corruption is from the same side. The GOP only wants the other side to be held accountable
This is very confusing. The left absolutely does want it to stop but centrist Dems do not. The left is not on the same side as Pelosi.
I was talking about the voting base, and how dem voters are willing to criticize the dem electorate, while GOP voters (even leaving MAGA aside, bc they're a lost cause to the cult) don't hold their representatives accountable.
Dem voters are the Dem electorate. Did you mean Dem representatives?
And you're still eliding the difference between the left and centre-right. Left and centre-left voters are willing to criticise Dem politicians. The centre is not. And, while hypocrisy absolutely is a characteristic of the right because they know how power works, it's nonsense to suggest that the entirety of the Dem electoral coalition holds its representatives to account. It doesn't, not least because a large proportion are in on the grift. And that's why we're having another global fascist spasm. Liberals refuse to challenge power, not least because they like its perks and also believe that those perks should exist.
Right, I meant elected instead of electorate.
I don't think a large portion of the dem voter base benefits from the grift that the dem politicians are participating in. If they were rich and wanted to benefit, they'd just vote GOP. Don't get me wrong, the rich who vote dem absolutely benefit from the corporate center of the party (which is most of it), but the wealthy class is a tiny proportion on both sides and I was talking about the majority.
And I think you're giving too much credit to the GOP voters by saying they "know how power works". The vast majority of them are useful idiots taken in by culture war nonsense continually voting against their self interest.
I didn't say GOP voters know how power works.
And there is barely any difference in the proportion of rich people voting GOP or Dem. 1-2% in the 2020 exit polls. In 2016, Clinton had swings in her favour amongst the very rich, and larger swings against amongst lower income and POC voters. Not because they switched to the GOP but because she gave them no reason to turn out.
You're projecting your ideal onto a party which relies on the very wealthy to fund their politics. And they can do that because it is how power works and why they do not want to challenge power.
Stop confusing the left with the centre. The necessity of the electoral coalition is precisely a result of power, and its ability to silence the left while pandering to the right.
I'm not talking about the rich, because while they wield outsized clout in what their parties do, they're a tiny percentage of the population and consequently voters. All I'm saying is the vast majority of dem voters (they're not wealthy and they don't benefit from the grifting that the majority that the dem pols do) are willing to criticize dems. The opposite is not true--most GOP voters, who also don't benefit from anything the GOP elected does, will never speak a word against the people in office.
Yeah, sure. Wealthy people don't have any power, even with all those newspapers and TV channels they own, or the politicians relying on them for donations and cushy jobs once they're out of office.
I refer you back to the Schumer quote and beg you to wise the fuck up. You cannot understand anything about this world if you do not understand how power works.
Dude I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Poor people make up the majority of the country and poor dem voters criticize dem pols. Poor gop voters don't criticize gop pols. That was the entire meaning of my original comment.
Yes they do. The fuck are you smoking?
The last time I checked, the right disowned that musician for clarifying that he was criticizing the wealthy right as well as the wealthy left. He was disowned by conservatives as soon as they realized he was criticizing them too.
I think you are being weirdly aggressive in your approach to "debate", if a debate is even what is happening here. This guy is not your enemy. You should focus that anger where it's needed, at an actual enemy.
The actual enemy being liberals who deliver us to fascism every fucking time. Don't ever lose sight of that.
Maybe the left like you and me do, on the ground, but I guarantee that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are just fine with how things are right now.
Yeah I was thinking more about left voters instead of pols. Almost everyone in congress is fine with the corruption. But right wing voters hardly ever criticize their own, let alone the maga cultists
Right-wingers who are critical of Trump get plenty of airtime. Left-wingers who are critical of Dems, not so much.
It’s that part of the fascist playbook where the enemy is weak and dangerous at the same time.
So? You approve of the behavior? That sounds like "what aboutism", ignoring the point. Unless you have a spare 500k to send to me showing how little you care because it's insignificant.