Sounds like the average lemmy.ml user. Very quick to criticise the west. Completely 'objective' when discussing China.
And very, VERY fond of genocide denial and whataboutism. They're exhausting to talk to.
I just ignore them
I can't speak to lemmy.ml but I can say despite having a lot of issues with China I also find it difficult to criticize because I never lived there or anywhere similar but criticizing and noting where the US can improve is something I've spent a lot of time to understand the nuances and challenges of.
It's not that I want to defend China just that I feel like I never have a great picture of what's happening there.
All this being said fuck them for their treatment of uighur muslims. That I do feel confident about.
It's not that they don't criticise, it's that when something negative shows up, they defend it showing several biased sources, as if they meant anything, or jump into whataboutism.
Whenever someone posts something negative and promotes discussion or critique about it, lo and behold, see how this other country is also horrible and see the good things mine does. Like dude, cool, let us discuss this and you can create another post for those things. It's pretty clear that they want to divert the conversation.
I've got a friend from Shenzhen who thinks Xi is the worst thing since Mao. If I said that to a lemmy.ml user I'd be banned from the instance.
Hell, I got suspended for 4 days (and trolled to fuck) when I suggested someone was a tankie (literally a communist who believes in using tanks to kill people).
Silly thing is I'm a fucking socialist! I believe in all the key tenets of socialism. But heaven forbid you criticise DPRK or China. They'll chew you apart.
There's plenty of fucking countries where from socialism has worked and there's plenty where some level of socialism currently works.
I mentioned the Nordic Model and instead of them agreeing it was a good step they spent their time 'educating' me on how it's not true socialism and it's just as bad as the US.
Fucking boggles the mind. They genuinely seem to think Stalin was a saint and Kim is a benevolent, democratically elected leader. If anyone thinks otherwise it's due to Western propaganda.
I know people living in China - they ain't fucking happy!
They either fall into two camps.
50 centers paid or voluntold to spread the party line.
Useful idiots who think in a binary West bad/Rest good mentality.
Either way they're tools of propaganda warfare.
Hell, I got suspended for 4 days (and trolled to fuck) when I suggested someone was a tankie (literally a communist who believes in using tanks to kill people).
Silly thing is Iām a fucking socialist!
The ironic thing is the origin of the word "tankie" relates to the revolutions of Hungarian and Polish communists against Soviet-Russian imperialism that was crushed by Soviet tanks. They were the ones in Western countries who were rooting for the tanks.
Tankies are the enemies of actual communists. They don't like the word because it reminds them of that, and the fact that communist revolutions were antagonized not just by the imperialistic US, but the imperialistic USSR as well.
Sounds like the average lemmy.ml user. Very quick to criticise the west. Completely 'objective' when discussing China.
And very, VERY fond of genocide denial and whataboutism. They're exhausting to talk to.
I just ignore them
I can't speak to lemmy.ml but I can say despite having a lot of issues with China I also find it difficult to criticize because I never lived there or anywhere similar but criticizing and noting where the US can improve is something I've spent a lot of time to understand the nuances and challenges of.
It's not that I want to defend China just that I feel like I never have a great picture of what's happening there.
All this being said fuck them for their treatment of uighur muslims. That I do feel confident about.
It's not that they don't criticise, it's that when something negative shows up, they defend it showing several biased sources, as if they meant anything, or jump into whataboutism.
Whenever someone posts something negative and promotes discussion or critique about it, lo and behold, see how this other country is also horrible and see the good things mine does. Like dude, cool, let us discuss this and you can create another post for those things. It's pretty clear that they want to divert the conversation.
I've got a friend from Shenzhen who thinks Xi is the worst thing since Mao. If I said that to a lemmy.ml user I'd be banned from the instance.
Hell, I got suspended for 4 days (and trolled to fuck) when I suggested someone was a tankie (literally a communist who believes in using tanks to kill people).
Silly thing is I'm a fucking socialist! I believe in all the key tenets of socialism. But heaven forbid you criticise DPRK or China. They'll chew you apart.
There's plenty of fucking countries where from socialism has worked and there's plenty where some level of socialism currently works.
I mentioned the Nordic Model and instead of them agreeing it was a good step they spent their time 'educating' me on how it's not true socialism and it's just as bad as the US.
Fucking boggles the mind. They genuinely seem to think Stalin was a saint and Kim is a benevolent, democratically elected leader. If anyone thinks otherwise it's due to Western propaganda.
I know people living in China - they ain't fucking happy!
They either fall into two camps.
50 centers paid or voluntold to spread the party line.
Useful idiots who think in a binary West bad/Rest good mentality.
Either way they're tools of propaganda warfare.
The ironic thing is the origin of the word "tankie" relates to the revolutions of Hungarian and Polish communists against Soviet-Russian imperialism that was crushed by Soviet tanks. They were the ones in Western countries who were rooting for the tanks.
Tankies are the enemies of actual communists. They don't like the word because it reminds them of that, and the fact that communist revolutions were antagonized not just by the imperialistic US, but the imperialistic USSR as well.