It was a purity test that got Biden to move on Gaza.
Taking bribes from a foreign government is disqualifying to me.
The only reason that AIPAC doesn't have to register as a foreign agent, is the people who decide that take AIPAC money.
Like, is your problem with trump taking Russian money that Biden didn't get any?
A foreign country has bought both political parties and there are real world consequences happening right now.
But it's a "purity test" to talk about it?
My problem is no one is clean and I order to get anything done, you have to get dirty.
My problem is no one is clean
Because AIPAC donates heavily in primaries of both parties to ensure that when the general happens they can't lose.
But some progressives manage to beat them.
It's not impossible, but it'll never be enough if people keep ignoring reality.
If a politician takes AIPAC money, voters should know what that means. That they're saying they're ok with foreign governments buying US politicians as long as it's for their "team".
I can't do that anymore, it's not working out for us.
So vote in the primaries. But when it comes to the general the "both sides" isn't accurate and acting like it is is either willful ignorance, privilege, or trolling.
So vote in the primaries
I will in like two months...
But I won't vote for another candidate that takes money from a foreign government in another election.
The fact that you’re way, way too focused on AIPAC instead of using it as a jumping-off point to hilight the insanity of the concept of PACs is fairly telling, to be honest.
Name another PAC that exists a semi official arm of another countries government.
That is an incredibly blurry line, and you know it.
It literally only exists because what it replaced had to register as a foreign agent...
Ran by many of the same people...
And has literally committed espionage against our country...
Espionage related FBI investigations in 1984 and 2005 reveal AIPAC's ongoing stealth foreign agency activities. Declassified FBI files released on the Internet last week reveal that in 1984 AIPAC and the Israeli Ministry of Economics were investigated for jointly obtaining and circulating classified US economic data to obtain favorable trade benefits for Israel. http://www.irmep.org/ila/economy In 2005 Pentagon Colonel Lawrence Franklin pled guilty and two AIPAC employees were indicted for obtaining and circulating classified US national defense information to Israeli government officials allegedly in the interest of fomenting US action against Iran.
It's not the fucking same as a beer company that's based in another country, it's an unofficial arm of the Israeli government
I guarantee you that other countries - especially ones antagonistic to the US - are absolutely using PACs in a covert/semi-covert fashion, in the interest of influencing US elections and politics in their own best interests. Israel is just brazen enough and confident enough in their “special relationship” with us that they don’t really give a shit that everyone knows that they’re more or less directly calling the shots at AIPAC - as you mentioned, functionally the same setup as they had decades ago.
No one can get anything done with purity tests.
It was a purity test that got Biden to move on Gaza.
Taking bribes from a foreign government is disqualifying to me.
The only reason that AIPAC doesn't have to register as a foreign agent, is the people who decide that take AIPAC money.
Like, is your problem with trump taking Russian money that Biden didn't get any?
A foreign country has bought both political parties and there are real world consequences happening right now.
But it's a "purity test" to talk about it?
My problem is no one is clean and I order to get anything done, you have to get dirty.
Because AIPAC donates heavily in primaries of both parties to ensure that when the general happens they can't lose.
But some progressives manage to beat them.
It's not impossible, but it'll never be enough if people keep ignoring reality.
If a politician takes AIPAC money, voters should know what that means. That they're saying they're ok with foreign governments buying US politicians as long as it's for their "team".
I can't do that anymore, it's not working out for us.
So vote in the primaries. But when it comes to the general the "both sides" isn't accurate and acting like it is is either willful ignorance, privilege, or trolling.
I will in like two months...
But I won't vote for another candidate that takes money from a foreign government in another election.
The fact that you’re way, way too focused on AIPAC instead of using it as a jumping-off point to hilight the insanity of the concept of PACs is fairly telling, to be honest.
Name another PAC that exists a semi official arm of another countries government.
That is an incredibly blurry line, and you know it.
But sure - there’s a list.
Those are "foreign connected" and includes companies like Annehiser Bush...
Maybe you just don't know about AIPAC if you think that's the same thing
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-department-of-justice-asked-to-regulate-aipac-as-a-foreign-agent-of-the-israeli-government-88190712.html
It literally only exists because what it replaced had to register as a foreign agent...
Ran by many of the same people...
And has literally committed espionage against our country...
It's not the fucking same as a beer company that's based in another country, it's an unofficial arm of the Israeli government
I guarantee you that other countries - especially ones antagonistic to the US - are absolutely using PACs in a covert/semi-covert fashion, in the interest of influencing US elections and politics in their own best interests. Israel is just brazen enough and confident enough in their “special relationship” with us that they don’t really give a shit that everyone knows that they’re more or less directly calling the shots at AIPAC - as you mentioned, functionally the same setup as they had decades ago.
But you can't give a specific example?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEB7WbTTlu4