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Hello world!

We would like to start by saying thank you ❀, no really πŸ™ THANK YOU to ALL the moderators out there!

Without you folks, we would have no one to help keep our community safe and help build the communities both here on Lemmy.World and on other fine instances. To this end, we want to make sure your voices are heard πŸ“£ loud and clearπŸ“£.

So, in the spirit of transparency, we would like everyone to know that we are looking to help out the folks working on Sublinks. Over the last several months we have grown to be more than just Lemmy.World. We've added platforms such as Pixelfed and Sharkey to help offer our users more diverse options for expressing themselves online. We still are very committed to Mastodon as well.

We DO NOT plan on moving away from Lemmy as a software platform at this time. Any changes in our core services would need to be discussed extensively internally AND externally with our community members. We firmly believe in the growth of the Fediverse and without the users, there would only be software, and that's no fun!

Sooo...

The Sublinks team has written up a little survey, which we feel is both thorough and inclusive. It covers a wide range of topics, such as user privacy, and community engagement, along with trying to gauge things that are difficult when moderating.

Also please be aware the information collected by this survey is completely anonymous. As many of us in the social sciences background know, if you want the REAL feelings of individuals, they need to feel safe to express themselves.

πŸ‘‰Moderation Survey HEREπŸ‘ˆ

Please feel free to comment in this thread, we will do our best to respond to any genuine questions.

We look forward to hearing from each and every one of you!

=Sincerely,
Fedihosting Foundation

PS ... also if this sounds like a corporate press release to you folks, we still punk 🀘😜🀘

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Why are .world admins always so hostile? First Antik and now you?

Why does this instance continuously bleed admins? This is why we had an abrupt change on the piracy change

Why was that post shamefully hidden in your community while every donation post and survey pinned for days?

Why do you continuously make up lies about the lemmy developers and spread negativity about them when they promoted this instance at the start of the reddit exodus?

Rookie has a horrible track record with privacy concerns and user-data respect, first with the .world scraper discord bot and now with a microsoft survey?!?

From your reply below it is clear that .world is going to move to sublinks (you are all developing it right?) you mention a script that will automatically move communities there. What about those people that don't want to move, will you allow them to move their community away before you forcefully transfer it?

Will .world federate with Meta on Sublinks or with lemmy?

Will you commit to having a town-hall with the users? This is by far the worst instance for user communication and we deserve to know if that will continue.

What the HECK man?

There's an underlying problem IMO with all Fediverse software and instances, in that because it's made available for free, people get entitled, moderators and admins are obligated to sort of do volunteer work on behalf of people who haven't earned it in order for any of the thing to work, which naturally leads to a inexhaustible wellspring of negative energy because the whole thing isn't right.

I saw the posts of Ruud asking for people to basically interview for a part time admin position and do a job which for skills and time investment is worth from $50k/yr-$200k/yr (calibrating for the fact that it's "only" 5-10 hours per week), and all I could think was whoa no no no this isn't the way. Not saying there's anything wrong with people volunteering their time to make available this great thing, but I think undervaluing them when they decide to do that is almost inevitable, which has follow-on effects that manifest in all kinds of ways and lead to things not being the way they should be. Occasional prickly or unfair behavior by mods or admins represent one example of that; comments like this one represent another.

What on earth is hostile about the OP post in any way?

This is by far the worst instance for user communication and we deserve to know if that will continue.

Just want to point out that the lemmy.world admins don't owe you anything (unless perhaps you are an active donator, but even then it is a donation, not payment for anything) so you don't "deserve" anything from them.

If you are unhappy with your admins, move to another instance. With 0.19.3, you can export your user settings and import them elsewhere, so moving is quite easy and thankfully there are plenty of other instances.

This. I feel like a broken record repeating this over and over again.

Maybe we should start !fediversmemes@sh.itjust.works and post about it in meme form, it might get the message further

I reckon it's less people not understanding, and more not to want to give up their account history.

The old account is still there if you need to refer to a previous comment.

You "reputation" (in "people recognizing you in comments") can be the same if you keep the same name and avatar.

There are no karma requirements anywhere on Lemmy.

The one I get is moderators that don't want to move their communties, but for individual accounts, there isn't much to lose (and trust me, I have around a dozen alts)

If people are really angry at their instance i'd guess they would like to delete their account, not keep it around. But yeah probably more an emotional than a rational thing, still a thing though.

I definitely noticed you changing instances all the time :) I personally would rather have a home base that i'm happy with and not change all the time.

I personally would rather have a home base that i’m happy with and not change all the time.

Of course, I think everyone wants that. But don't expect the first place you try to be that place. Or at least, you need some good reasons for why the first place you try will be that place.

  1. We are only hostile if you are hostile to us
  2. This was again, sry for this a misscommunication, but to be fair in a legal way, first act then announce it is a common approach.
  3. They just wanted a (indirect) test dummy to test their software on a big scale, and we are sick of it, we are always the first that goes head first into their untested, experimental features, that they probably even didnt started in their test environment and not even mark it as experimental.
  4. The .world "scraper" bot?! is a verificiaton bot for our discord server to reduce trolls, that just uses simple api calls to verify through a dm that it is you and btw, this isnt created by me it is created by someone on the sublinks team.
  5. This will be discussed, so no idea.
  6. Probably, if the users toxicity reduces here, probably yes, we are sorry for that, we hope to improve.

I am sorry but the FHF / Lemmy instance admins are just humans. And yeah there is a feature now to export your blocks, community subscriptions and we are not blocking you to use it if you are really sick of us.

I think that people are so used to being consumers of social media that we really don't have the context to behave as guests/partners. This is not a Starbucks - It's a community garden. By the way, someone is still paying for all of the seeds and the water. Someone is showing up to do the gardening. Yeah, the fruits are there for everyone to enjoy, but have a little sense about it.

I am also feeling a bit uneasy with how the world team seems to throw their weight against the lemmy devs. I don't know any deeper reasoning other than what was discussed openly on lemmy, so who knows if it may be rewarded.

Seeing sunaurus chime in on the supposedly toxic development environment etc. made me feel a lot more sympathetic to the lemmy devs and gave me a different view other than (some of) .world's obvious animosity. The discussion between the beehaw guys and the lemmy devs only reinforced that tbh, although of course here i also might have not all the knowledge to come to a fair conclusion.

All in all i found sunaurus to be the most transparent and sober in his takes, i will take SorteKanin's advice and start using my lemm.ee account more now.

the .world scraper discord bot

What was that all about, i saw it mentioned before but have no idea what happened?

The .world scrapper discord bot he means the discord verification bot. It simply uses the lemmy api to dm you to verify you are the real AchtungDrempels on discord as on lemmy. To reduce trolls and spammers.

IMO that seems like a reasonable use of resources. I wouldn't want anyone to sit on discord and shit on people in my name.

Exactly what our reasoning was with it. We wanted a reliable way to identify if its really you. And a easy dm verification did that.