Late-night shooting at popular outdoor mall in Miami suburb leaves two dead, 7 injured

You ban firearms:

Year one and two: firearms can be turned in to the authorities for a rebate. Possession of a firearm or ammo is a misdemeanor resulting in the confiscation of such, with no further action. Use of a firearm in commission of a crime carriers a harsher penalty. Trading firearms attracts a fine.

Year three to five/six: as above, but possession now arracts a fine, increasing year on year starting as an inconvenience, ending as quite punitive. Trading firearms arracts prison time. Guns and ammo can be handed in anonymously, no rebate/reward.

Year six to ten/fifteen: as above, possession is now a criminal offence, with jail sentences starting at a few months, increasing year on year to serious jail time, commensurate with civilised countries. Trading attracts harsher sentences.

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Less firearms doesn't magically make anyone safer.

Even disregarding all the studies and statistics proving you wrong, the abject failure of pro-gun policy for over 20 years has made it clear that more guns don't make anyone safer.

The property crime rate is identical to every other wealthy country, only with a layer of murder on top. The police execute more people in the street without cause or punishment. The upcoming election is between a neoliberal and a barely coherent reality TV star who openly simps for fascists.

So what exactly are we tolerating all this violence for? Your sad little hero fantasies?

Making sure people don't turn to crime to survive blah blah blah

Nothing more than your latest bullshit excuse. You told us it was Marilyn Manson and video games. Then you told us it was because schools had too many doors and not enough God. Now you're blaming social issues (all of which pro-gun politicians oppose fixing) because you know it's an excuse that will be good for 50 years.

So fuck off and build it. While you do, we can address the gun problem that by your own admission escalates these problems into murder and terrorism.

Making sure our children are properly educated and aren't crammed into classrooms where kids cannot get proper education does

Don't worry, there isn't a child in America who hasn't been "properly educated" about what happens when a parade of red flags becomes a "responsible gun owner". They've gone to school every day wondering if their school will be next and watched as the pro-gun community spat on them for speaking out. One day, they'll be the ones writing laws and they're going to remember exactly how much compassion you showed them.

But you keep thinking that taking away firearms will magically fix all of our underlying issues

You mean the issues that progressives have been fighting to address since long before gun owners decided to use them as their latest scapegoat? Don't worry, we can do more than one thing at a time but unfortunately for you, we're not obliged to follow your bullshit "fix every other problem first" demands.

You sound like someone who puts a new roof on a house while the rest of it underneath is being eaten by rot and termites.

I actually love this analogy because you're too fucking stupid to realise that the rot could absolutely be a problem with a failing roof that needs replacing. But there you are in your rotting house, gormlessly insisting your roof is infallible and perfect.

Lol I don't follow the gun lobby.

You absolutely do. That's why your opinions and talking points are perfectly aligned with what's most profitable to them. All you're doing is admitting that you fell for their propaganda without a single critical thought.

You're arguing with a left leaning person, who wants to make sure our society has a good foundation.

I don't care who you are. It's anonymous social media. You could claim to be anyone or anything. You're awkwardly repeating the same rhetoric as pro-gun reactionaries so I'm going to treat you like a pro-gun reactionary.

You on the other hand sound like some white privilege suburb kid who is terrified of anyone that's not like you.

Watching you try the "use their values against them" technique for a second time actually makes you sound more far-right. It's a strategy openly advocated by neo-nazi groups and you're really shoehorning trying to shoehorn it in.

Yeah they did, they have collected a shit ton of guns since the 1996 confiscation

Yeah good link fuckstick, it says absolutely nothing. Are you genuinely just relying on the fact the word "seized" appears on the page? Police sieze illegal firearms when they're discovered. They didn't go door to door tearing poor, innocent semiautomatic weapons from the bosom of their loving owners. Who fills your head with this dogshit?

do anything because there are more firearms in the hands of civilians there than there were in 96.

Oh look, more "gun control according to pro-gun groups". You know it is too, because you're getting slimy with your wording again. Are those "more firearms" illegal weapons? Are they in the hands of criminals?

Nope. Counter to all your greasy propaganda, Australia didn't "ban guns" -- those "more weapons" are legal, lower-risk weapons, in the hands of people with firearms licenses, who have been members in good standing at a range or club for more than 6 months, have been psychologically assessed, have demonstrated they can safely operate a firearm and must keep their weapons in a gun safe that no unlicensed person can access.

And what a shocking plot twist, no mass shootings ans assaults and property crimes never involve guns. They didn't even have to solve every single social problem that gun owners could think of first.

At least you admit it has nothing to do with gangs or the number of Americans, you just want guns.

I can rephrase that last part. America is the only country that needs plastic semi-automatics at walmart. Better?