Starbucks Is Banning Pride Decorations, Workers Union Alleges
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The unconfirmed allegation is raising concerns that the coffee chain is the latest corporation to cave to far-right attacks on LGBTQ people.
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It's about time. Corporations are finally starting to realize the vast majority of their customers are not onboard with the increasingly radical leftist agenda. Go woke and go broke.
shut the fuck up nazi, gay people receiving healthcare and existing in public is not radical. nor is starbucks at any risk of going broke
they're just scared, like target was, that you chud braindead ass nazi terrorists are going to show up and scream at their staff or shoot someone.
Lol at this guy thinking he can shut up people off the internet
Lol where did they even say they think they can run people off the internet.
You nazis are dumb as fuck.
Maybe learn to read?
ay just checking in to say, shut the fuck up and get the fuck off of the internet you loser antisocial nazi pieces of shit
Saying shut the fuck up doesnt equate to "im going to run you off the internet" does it?
I didn't say "run you off the internet", i said "thinking he can shut up people off the internet"
Shutting people up off the internet and running people off the internet are 2 separated statements with different meanings.
Still though telling someone to shut up doesnt mean that you think that they will. just that you would like it if they did.
And
Kinda implies shutting people off of the internet but what do I know
How do I give gold on this thing?
i think your fox news commercials can tell you where to get gold
“We should stop marginalising gay and trans kids, people have the right to live their own lives” = RADICAL LEFTIST AGENDA.
You MAGA morons do love your little slogans though, beats independent thought I guess.
Social movements like equality and abortion are extremely popular, both amongst the voting population and the public in general.
Why do you think massive corporations jump on this stuff? They want the free PR so they can make more money! Corporations do not have political ideologies unless they are privately held and run by individuals--any company that has public investment is legally obligated to increase profits above all else.
Look up "rainbow capitalism" and you'll realize that the actual activists, the real leftists you are so scared of, don't like what they see any more than you do, but because of the empty slogans and meaningless marketing gestures. Because it's not real progress!
Just a minor point here... corporations absolutely do have political ideologies. those ideologies are dictated, as you mentioned, by seeking profit. Which is why they interfere in politics so much- it's less expensive for them to create a favorable regulatory frame work in place than it is to actually not be assholes. For example, one of the things that directly lead to trump's victory in 2016, was an episode where the Koch plant in Corpus Christi, TX got dinged by the EPA back around 2000. (technically for not reporting benzene leaks. unofficially, they removed monitoring equipment and were letting that shit go. because the EPA relies on self reporting... they actually have no proof at all that they were leaking shitloads of benzene.)
this lead the Koch brothers to back republicans basically everywhere, including Trump, where some of the stuff he actually did... involved deregulation of environmental protections. Yeah. Because not leaking freaking toxic pollution into the air, directly harming residents in the area is too expensive and too burdensome.
edit to add: on the other end of the spectrum, you have companies taht are definitely afraid of things like climate change (and whose business won't be adversely impacted by those regulations) absolutely lobbying for things to reduce the impact of climate change. (or, because their business is predicated on building solar or windmills, and such like.)
Very good points! I should have been more specific that corporations are usually not motivated by the social side of most political issues. Anything that impacts them financially, though, is certainly fair game from that perspective.
Mostly trying to clarify that Target almost certainly didn't have trans-oriented swimming suits for adults because the corporation or even the CEO cares about that issue in an ideological, philosophical or moral sense. They had those products because there was a market for them and they saw a way to meet that demand. That's it.
Just because it's true in your little echo chamber doesn't mean it's true for "the vast majority"
Friend, my account is less than 24 hours old has has karma of -236 (probably lower by the time I finish writing this) almost entirely due to this thread. So let's talk about echo chambers, yours and mine.
Everyone (from across the political spectrum) knows reddit's r/politics abhors balance and neutrality in favor of extreme far-leftist idiocy. It's widely assumed that's due to the mods, so I figured there's no way that bizarre phenomenon could be repeated on another platform. Well I don't think it can be explained by moderation in the present thread. I think it's clearly that all the children from r/politics flocked here, creating a self-manifesting filter-bubble. It's a pretty interesting phenomenon, really. I don't think I've ever seen something like that manifest anywhere else.
Ideally, if this is m/politics, it should be well-balanced, encompassing perspectives from all sides, and always upvoting the level-headed conservative viewpoints. In this day and age, when the Left has gone so off-the-deep-end crazy, embracing evils such as homosex and baby slaughter, a balanced m/politics would downvote all extremist viewpoints, which means basically anything from the Left these days.
I commented on this article shortly after joining, when there were very few other comments on the article, with fingers crossed that all of the naive children from r/politics wouldn't be here en masse. Clearly I was wrong. But as you grow up, and become more conservative (like we all do with life experience), you'll learn that almost every adult is essentially conservative, and striving to become more mature (ie more conservative and traditional) as we age. Obviously some people fail at that goal, and yes there are some 80yo stoners out there who act like teenagers, but by and large the filter-bubble of normal adults is extraordinarily huge.
@10A
Uh, Politics downvotes. Conservative bans.
You think that because it appears as if there is a 50% split ideologically in the US that somehow you're in the majority. Not only are you thoroughly not, but the 50% split is an allusion created by voter suppression and gerrymandering. And this is not opinion.
@Girlparts @CosmicApe
I don't accept the premise that everyone gets more conservative as they get older. That does not stand up to study as far as I am aware. Here are some example sources to back up this claim: 1 2.
By what measure or definition are you using the word "conservative" here? What is the cutoff for an "adult", is that the same as being able to vote or are you drawing an arbitrary line at an older age? Surely you are not suggesting that "almost every adult" is a GOP voter, because even Trump would not be so brazen as to pretend there are no Democrats at all!
I completely reject the equation of maturity with "conservative and traditional". This is just nonsense that reveals the magnitude of your bias. I am not going to argue that almost every adult is naturally more liberal or progressive, that is just absurd and has no basis at all in reality or facts.
Thank you for including sources! I dispute them, but I value the fact that you included them. Here's why I dispute them:
And a couple more reasons:
In the broad American sense: someone who wants to preserve traditional Judeo-Christian values, with either a strong belief in "liberty or death", a strong support for the police, or — in cases where cognitive dissonance runs strong — both.
Your guess is as good as mine. It's subjective.
Ha, do not underestimate Trump! Lol. I do think if you look at voter affiliation by age bracket, there's a certain age threshold above which 50% or more voters are right of center.
I respect your rejection of that equivalence. I am certainly biased, as I believe we all are. That assertion just reflects my experience. Take it or leave it.
Cons being absolutely batshit crazy and condescending and wondering why nobody wants to treat them with respect
I find it fascinating to hear that perspective. Among conservatives, it's widely acknowledged that the Left is crazy, and has become increasingly crazy over the years. Conservative basically means normal, ie not crazy — we like preserving traditional values, whereas the Left like violently destroying everything we hold dear. I don't mean to dispute your perspective; we're all entitled to one. I just find it interesting, and without a doubt crazy.
As for your assertion that I'm condescending, I'm sorry for whatever I said that came across that way. I am praying for you and everyone else in this thread, that we may all come to be one in Christ.
Traditional values like what? Be specific. I bet many of us would disagree that those values are worth preserving.
Can you cite any examples of physical violence committed by "the left" and what specific political objective those incidents achieved?
It's ironic that you act like the other side is unreasonable when you start with the assumption that "the left" is inherently unreasonable and impossible to have a dialogue with. You aren't leaving any room for conversation. I am willing to listen to your arguments, but we also need to be able to "agree to disagree" without dehumanizing each other.
If this thread about Starbucks is any measure, no almost nobody here would agree with me. Since Adam and Eve, marriage has been a holy union between one man and one woman (up until a few years ago). And by "man" and "woman" I mean strictly according to their chromosomes. Who in m/politics is going to upvote that? Anyone other than me?
(Edit: after submitting this comment, I realized I misread "disagree" thinking you said "agree" for some reason. I'm sure you're right that many here would disagree! IMHO, we should always seek to follow the ways of our forefathers who gave us this civilization.)
There's no way I could enumerate all traditional values. It'd be a 700-page book. So I'll leave the list at that one. It's one of the most important traditional values anyway.
Look, this is just so off-topic, and only shows that you don't bother to expose yourself to any non-leftist news. The past decade has been filled with a ton of answers to this question, and you can find more on a weekly or daily basis. There's no way I could list them all. There's so many that it's even difficult to choose one. All I can say is you ought to broaden your news sources.
I agree, and I'm sorry. I'm just a fan of sticking to the topic, which in this case is Starbucks and pride decorations. Obviously that's a can of worms, so here we are. It's my fault for leading the conversation to the big picture without wanting to discuss the big picture. That was a mistake. Sorry. I don't mean to be shutting down conversation, and I do recognize that you have a valid point here. Maybe we'll find a different thread in the future that strikes me as more conducive to unpacking these topics.
You regularly ‘communicate’ with a man that has been dead for over 2000 years by talking to your ceiling, because you believe that (despite being dead) he has magical powers.
And then go around calling everyone else “crazy”.
That sure would sound crazy if it wasn't true. But the part about Jesus being dead is not true at all. 500 witnesses observed His resurrection (See 1 Corinthians 15:3-8.) Why do you think Christianity has spread so far and wide, and has so many converts? Why do you think the Bible has been accepted as the word of God and foundation of Western Civilization for generation after generation? Do you think our forefathers were all dumber than you? They weren't. The truth is God is irrefutably real, and you'd know that if you open your heart to receive Him.
(Matthew 10:32-33)
And dead people all over Jerusalem ‘rose from their graves and wandered around’… yeah.. sure they did bud. Whatever you say.
These are Stories. Not facts, stories. Stories written for children, about magical wizards.
You are the literal equivalent of the kid that -actually- believes in Santa Claus and can’t stop telling everyone around him that he’s the smart one who is going to get all the presents.
First off I am only four years old, and secondly, are you trying to tell me there's no such thing as Santa?
Joking.
Yes, the Bible is filled with stories. Some of them are parables to teach us moral behavior, while other stories are historically accurate. You use the word "story" as if you don't understand the difference between fiction and nonfiction. All biblical stories are either nonfiction or parables.
You're the one who seems like you're trying to prove how smart you are, by questioning the word of God. But who ever gave you permission to do that? The comfort of the Bible is that we know what to think, how to think, and how to behave. It is juvenile to question and doubt; it is mature and wise to accept God's word and do God's will.
No, I do not claim to be smart. I'm a humble servant of God.
Dude, in the comment just prior to that one, you just used the bible as a source of evidence to prove to us all that the bible is true. I have absolutely no doubts about who you think you are.
Since you seem to love proselytising to others I’m going to reverse UNO you dude.
Try reading: ‘The Demon Haunted World’ by Carl Sagan, or ‘The God Delusion’ by Richard Dawkins.
Surely someone so confident in your faith as you can stand up to one little book can’t you? What do you have to lose but the ability to learn and grow?
I grew up an atheist, surrounded by secular culture. While I haven't read either of those particular books, I've read so many other arguments against God over the years. Yes, my faith is strong, but no, I don't desire to subject myself to the temptation to deny God. I have no doubt the books offer thought-provoking and compelling arguments, as both of those authors are intelligent. And I have no doubt that some Christians have read them and offered critiques and rebuttals, as with any opinionated book. Also I have so many books that I've bought but haven't read yet, and I'm working through them slowly, but I keep buying more! I'm pretty frugal overall, but I definitely lack some self-control when it comes to buying books. So overall, no, I won't read those, but I honestly do appreciate your recommendations. Thank you.
Can’t ever be wrong if you never ask nor answer any questions eh?
Why would an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving deity create a universe with pointless suffering? Why do infants get cancer?
Why do terrible diseases like shingles and smallpox exist and why did it take humans to eradicate them? Do you think humanity was acting immorally when they created vaccines to combat these deadly viruses? Surely we were working contrary to god's will and that is a sin, right?
You'd need infinite wisdom to understand every decision God makes. I certainly don't have that. But I do trust that God's in control, and He has His reasons. And I also know that we're given challenges and tests of faith in life. That's all part of the exercise of God's creation. It's a moral test to filter us.
That's an extremely interesting question, and I wish it wasn't buried in this thread about SBC.
I find it interesting to consider the question from a Darwinian perspective first. Through medicine, we humans have nearly eliminated our own survival of the fittest. We keep our weak alive long enough to reproduce and spread their genes. The result is that we're far weaker as a species than if we took a (decidedly unethical) approach of abandoning all medicine, allowing the infant mortality rate to skyrocket back to premodern norms, and allowing common ailments to destroy us. So inasmuch as morality and Darwinianism are both held their by advocates to be "laws", yes, medicine is unlawful in a sense. (That's twisted, I know! Just interesting to consider.)
From my own Christian perspective, no, God made us in His own image, and so just as He created us, the universe, and everything in it, we create things all the time too — including vaccines. God's in control, so anything we create is something we were allowed to create. Our actions are not always condoned, as we could use any invention for good or evil. God loves life, so vaccines saving lives are good. If He really wants to take someone out, He will.
Honestly I love that question. Thanks. I hope I elaborated enough.
What has "the left" "violently destroyed" that you "hold dear"?
Oh boy, you're asking for a rant. I'm going to do you a favor and spare you the fifty paragraph reply. Sorry, you're asking a completely legitimate question if you're coming from a leftist perspective and you really don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just not going to type all of that out here.
No really, go ahead, have a rant. We will love it I promise.
As humble Christians, I'm sure you'd all eagerly learn from it how to better yourselves and become upstanding conservative citizens. So sorry to disappoint.
How odd to be so vocal about being right and then refuse to elaborate when people are earnestly and respectfully asking for your opinion. Are you secretly ashamed to preach what you actually believe?
I'm an advocate of staying on topic. And besides, anybody prompting me for a rant just wants to laugh at the crackpot and click the downvote button. That's not very respectful at all. Accept the word "no" if you want to be respectful.