Had to buy a certain product to use a certain substance and there's a really stupid new law.

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What is this? Some sort of 'protect the children because they're totally not using apples and soda cans' bullshit?

Why is this in any way necessary or even useful?

Edit: Just discovered this was about tobacco, making this even stupider since this product isn't for tobacco, it's for cannabis. https://dclcorp.com/blog/news/pact-act-impacts-vape-industry/

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It’s not my opinion, it’s a waste of taxpayer dollars when the laws already cover themselves. It’s illegal because it’s illegal for tobacco, and tobacco and cannabis have the same restrictions. So to restrict one with a law, automatically restricts the other, which is an extremely efficient way to make laws and legislation.

I’m sorry you seem to have a misunderstanding of how laws work. Sober up and reread this dude, seriously.

Sorry, commerce laws are supposed to be vague and apply to things not specified in them? Because that sounds like a really good thing for corporations and a really bad thing for everyone else, especially when the government uses those law loopholes to its own ends.

The vape is classified as a tobacco and cannabis product. So what loophole are they using and how’s it vague?

You realize, I only used it for X is a defense that has failed in court countless times, yeah? Theres always precedence and you want to claim ignorance of this. That doesn’t work dude.

Where does it say that the vaporizer is classified as something used for tobacco or cannabis in PACT?

  • All electronic nicotine delivery systems (“ENDS”) and substances that can be used with ENDS are held to the same rules as cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products. All regulations that apply to cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products now also apply to all ENDS, which is defined very broadly as “any electronic device that, through an aerosolized solution, delivers nicotine, flavor or any other substance to the user inhaling from the device.” The breadth of this language puts manufacturers of vape pens for use with liquid cannabis, CBD, or other non-nicotine liquids in the untenable position of having to try to comply with a statute intended to regulate tobacco products.

Did YOU even read your own source…..?

The source is an article talking about the law, not the law itself. The law itself is quoted and does not make it clear that it is also about cannabis, which is the problem.

Laws should be clear and precise. I'm not sure why people think otherwise.

It’s covered by the fucking smoking law that covers both. It can be used for tobacco, so it’s has to be covered for all angles, even cannabis, since that’s illegal to smoke like nicotine for smoking laws……..

I’m sorry you can’t comprehend how laws are intertwined, but you’ve also had a dozen people tell you the exact same thing.

Its not easy to explain to you that your shoe is untied is it?

Then cannabis should be mentioned in the law. I don't know why it can't be.

Why? Because the US congress is a joke, the law would need to be amended, some Jhole is going to put some other legislation with it, or turn it into a crusade so it doesn’t pass. This works.

It’s a nicotine product, done.

Does it work? Because kids don't have to sign for a pipe or a bong.

Can a kid go into a headshop and buy one? Bongs can get there too if it’s an issue, but you don’t see many people hitting bongs on the street, while anyone can “discretely” use a vape and you don’t know what it is, and that can also be another issue.

A kid can't go into a head shop and buy a vaporizer either. Because kids can't go into head shops. This isn't about head shops. This is about ordering things over the internet. If you order a cannabis vaporizer online, which is less common to imbibe weed with and generally more expensive, you have to sign for it when it's delivered. If you order a bong or a pipe online, you don't. That makes zero sense.

Because one can be used on the street where it’s illegal to use nicotine and cannabis, while the other is painfully obvious you are breaking federal law if you were to do so.

Vaping makes it easier to smoke illegally in public, nicotine and cannabis. And now it’s also getting in the hands of minors where they can do both in public and no one would know. Thats the fucking problem. It’s illegal to smoke in public, now minors are involved.

But officer it’s legal CBD! It’s illegal to smoke in public!!!!!!

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