You think giving me Tesla marketing BS, published by a proxy Tesla marketing rag, is going to convince me? If it is anything else like Tesla's marketing department, they just pulled something out of their ass, Musk saw the numbers and told them to fudge it some more, and then they put it up on their website dressed in fancy graphs and tech-speak. That's why you'll never find any actual data that third-party researchers can verify it with.
Tesla's create horrible driving habits in their customers. On the one hand, you have the CEO that creates a culture to disregard for safety and rules, praising users that openly go against the terms of use, as long as they show it doing something cool. On the other hand, you have a system that is just good enough to lull you into a sense of safety and confidence in the system itself. Then one day it decides to kill a motorcyclist, a kid getting off the bus, or a paramedic working on the side of the road. The driver that maybe praised Tesla to their friends and colleagues about how amazing it was is now dumbstruck because the car acted so unexpectedly.
Tesla is just as much as fault as the driver for that situation.
The report doesn't explain why Teslas crashed at a higher rate than any other brand, only that it does
So why do you think Tesla's crash at a higher rate? I think it's a combination of instant acceleration, poor sensor-suite (like the lack of radar), and Tesla giving idiots free-reign to abuse the system as they please.
Maybe because it has nothing to do with Tesla. It’s a EV thing. Tesla just makes more EV than anyone else. It’s interesting to note when people switch to gas, they have more accidents.
The acceleration is a valid reason. Since Tesla has good controls to compensate for it. People don’t get how quickly they can get to an insane soeed
They use the term "rate," which would account for absolute numbers. So just because Tesla sells more EVs wouldn't account for it.
It’s why Tesla is in the news. The same stats run similar for other EV but nobody cares.
The article explains it’s switch from gas to ev and ev to gas and not as much about Tesla
The same stats run similar for other EV but nobody cares.
Where are you getting that number? The report just said Tesla had the highest accident rate of all brands.
From the article
Scherr’s statements echoed findings by insurance analysts at LexisNexis who found that, when vehicle owners switch from gasoline-powered cars to electric cars, they tend to crash more. Drivers also tend to crash somewhat more when switching to gas-powered vehicles, too, but the increase is more pronounced with EVs.
The increase in incidents is highest during the first year or so after drivers get the new electric vehicle, but then tapers off after that, according to LexisNexis, presumably as people get used to driving the new model. There is much less of a problem when a driver changes from a gasoline-powered vehicle to another gas-powered one, they found.
But LexisNexis researchers had previously noticed similar trends in China, where there are many more EVs – including more that aren’t Teslas.
Crashes are even more frequent in households with both a gas and an electric model, indicating that regularly switching from one to another exacerbates the issues. And the fact that crash frequency lessens with time also suggests that unfamiliarity has something to do with it, said Xiaohui Lu, head of EV research at LexisNexis Risk Solutions,
Okay, so Tesla had the highest rate, but switching power train types seems problematic. It didn't really say if other EVs are close to Tesla's accident rates, or am I missing something?
I have not found an article that breaks down other EV since there are few of them and lumped in with brand as a whole.
In any case, I think we can dispel the myth that Tesla is one of the safest cars. They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can't keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving.
They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can’t keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving
You need the study to clarify that. Oddly the first article says accidents but when you see how it’s defined, tickets such as spending are called an accident
Dude, I was literally in another thread where someone posted a video talking about how many deaths FSD caused (17) and extrapolating those numbers by how many FSD miles were driven lead to fsd being 11x more dangerous than a humans driver.
It had all sorts of upvotes.
Except, those accidents were on AP which has multiple billions of miles driven, not FSD. The NHSTA has only said there was 1 fsd related death. Related, as in, not confirmed to be the cause of.
They don't even know what they're mad about. And i get downvoted for showing the major flaw in their post.
I bet they've never used, or had to acknowledge the warnings prior to using AP. Let alone the even more dire warning FSD gives (or gave prior to v12 anyway, not sure what today's warnings are)
Here, you will see ford is under investigation for its system
People confuse auto pilot with full self driving. They are very different. AP is just assisted cruise control. I’ve had very few issues with it. Compared to my Audi, I love the Tesla AP.
No they haven’t. I have take by brand new Audi and drive it straight into a well.
They assist people in driving. You are still driving the car.
Incorrect. Auto pilot is less likely to be in an accident.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-autopilot-eight-times-less-likely-accident/amp/
You think giving me Tesla marketing BS, published by a proxy Tesla marketing rag, is going to convince me? If it is anything else like Tesla's marketing department, they just pulled something out of their ass, Musk saw the numbers and told them to fudge it some more, and then they put it up on their website dressed in fancy graphs and tech-speak. That's why you'll never find any actual data that third-party researchers can verify it with.
You have this article that looked at a four-month period. During that time, Tesla was responsible for every 10 of 11 deaths related to automated driving features. This report states that Tesla has the most accidents of any brand.
Tesla's create horrible driving habits in their customers. On the one hand, you have the CEO that creates a culture to disregard for safety and rules, praising users that openly go against the terms of use, as long as they show it doing something cool. On the other hand, you have a system that is just good enough to lull you into a sense of safety and confidence in the system itself. Then one day it decides to kill a motorcyclist, a kid getting off the bus, or a paramedic working on the side of the road. The driver that maybe praised Tesla to their friends and colleagues about how amazing it was is now dumbstruck because the car acted so unexpectedly.
Tesla is just as much as fault as the driver for that situation.
So why do you think Tesla's crash at a higher rate? I think it's a combination of instant acceleration, poor sensor-suite (like the lack of radar), and Tesla giving idiots free-reign to abuse the system as they please.
Maybe because it has nothing to do with Tesla. It’s a EV thing. Tesla just makes more EV than anyone else. It’s interesting to note when people switch to gas, they have more accidents.
The acceleration is a valid reason. Since Tesla has good controls to compensate for it. People don’t get how quickly they can get to an insane soeed
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/18/business/why-do-people-keep-crashing-teslas
They use the term "rate," which would account for absolute numbers. So just because Tesla sells more EVs wouldn't account for it.
It’s why Tesla is in the news. The same stats run similar for other EV but nobody cares.
The article explains it’s switch from gas to ev and ev to gas and not as much about Tesla
Where are you getting that number? The report just said Tesla had the highest accident rate of all brands.
From the article
Okay, so Tesla had the highest rate, but switching power train types seems problematic. It didn't really say if other EVs are close to Tesla's accident rates, or am I missing something?
I have not found an article that breaks down other EV since there are few of them and lumped in with brand as a whole.
https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/new-report-finds-tesla-drivers-are-the-most-accident-prone
You’ll see ram and Subaru are comparable to tesla
In any case, I think we can dispel the myth that Tesla is one of the safest cars. They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can't keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving.
You need the study to clarify that. Oddly the first article says accidents but when you see how it’s defined, tickets such as spending are called an accident
Dude, I was literally in another thread where someone posted a video talking about how many deaths FSD caused (17) and extrapolating those numbers by how many FSD miles were driven lead to fsd being 11x more dangerous than a humans driver.
It had all sorts of upvotes.
Except, those accidents were on AP which has multiple billions of miles driven, not FSD. The NHSTA has only said there was 1 fsd related death. Related, as in, not confirmed to be the cause of.
They don't even know what they're mad about. And i get downvoted for showing the major flaw in their post.
I bet they've never used, or had to acknowledge the warnings prior to using AP. Let alone the even more dire warning FSD gives (or gave prior to v12 anyway, not sure what today's warnings are)
Here, you will see ford is under investigation for its system
https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/29/ford-bluecruise-investigation-nhtsa-fatal-crashes/#:~:text=Federal%20safety%20regulators%20have%20opened%20an%20into%20Ford%E2%80%99s,has%20confirmed%20BlueCruise%20was%20active%20in%20both%20crashes.
People confuse auto pilot with full self driving. They are very different. AP is just assisted cruise control. I’ve had very few issues with it. Compared to my Audi, I love the Tesla AP.
Fsd is another beast. I have not tried 12 yet