Anarcho-communism (and similar ideologies) isn't really about everyone being equal, that's a silly goal that would take enforcement and calculations, it's not practical. Instead, anarcho-communism is a different way of living based on cooperation rather than exploitation and doing what is needed for people rather than what a few rich owners want.
You and a "lazy" person won't necessarily have the same outcome. A person unwilling to even pick up after themselves or contribute would still be guaranteed housing, food, and health care, but that's about it. You on the other hand could work to have a nicer place or acquire things, so long as you aren't getting them exploiting others or common resources. If you build a nice chair the anarcho-fuzz isn't gonna come and take it to split it amongst the community.
The thinking around "laziness" needs to change. A person unwilling to do even the absolute minimum might be called lazy, but A person unwilling to trade their time for money isn't a bad thing. It's not the "lazy" people that wipe out species, start wars, and cause climate change.
Let's also not forget that a lot of those "lazy" people are actually struggling with illness, insecurity, lack of critical resources, discrimination, burnout from "the grind", or just plain don't see the point in contributing much to a system that never seems to contribute anything back. Guaranteed housing, food, and healthcare would fix a lot of the problems that cause "laziness".
Exactly right, thank you.
A person unwilling to even pick up after themselves or contribute would still be guaranteed housing, food, and health care, but that’s about it.
And who is having to work extra to pick up their slack? That housing, food, and healthcare all require labor from others.
Our society already produces far more than we need, it's just sucked up by the owner class. If we removed the owner class and their hoarding, we could all work less and still have more than enough to provide for those unwilling or unable to completely provide for themselves.
I personally would be happy to do a bit of work to help ensure people aren't starving or freezing to death because they're going through a depressive episode or even if they're just "lazy fucks". Pretty sure every one I'd consider a friend thinks the same.
You know, it's people with an attitude like yours, unwilling to help out without direct benefit, who I consider lazy, not the person with low ambition.
I'm more than happy to contribute to benefit the group. I don't consider enabling freeloaders to be a benefit. If I want to feed someone that sits around not doing anything all day I'll get a cat.
Good thing people like me exist that will not only feed the "freeloaders", but take care of you too when you break your leg.
A broken leg is a temporary condition. As soon as it's mended I would be back at it (if not before, I also have computer skills that would not be inhibited by a broken leg). Laziness is a personality issue and they will not overcome it if they just have everything they need handed to them.
I say ambition, drive, greed, etc are personality issues that cause harm to others and the environment.
While I'm sure there are a few individuals that would rather sit and die than go get some food, this is not something to actually be concerned with. You watch too much right wing TV telling you there's a whole class of people that just want to take from you, but what's actually happening is that this group is being stolen from and what you see as laziness is often just an unwillingness to facilitate being stolen from.
Without ambition and drive people would still be living in caves. You think someone's going to learn science or medicine without ambition or drive?
I haven't watched any significant amount of TV in 12 years let alone news channels. I don't need some jabbering moron with an agenda to tell me how I should feel about things I can observe with my own eyes. I wasn't even initially talking about people receiving government assistance, I was talking about my coworkers I've had at various jobs. It's always a situation where the few are carrying the many and whatever their reason for being lazy, the outcome is more work and problems and stress for their fellow workers. It's selfish as fuck. I'm not exactly the pinnacle of mental health myself but I power through it when necessary so I don't create problems for others.
only white people (Caucasians) are from caves lol
don't lump everyone in with them
Without ambition and drive people would still be living in caves.
And we'd have a planet to live on indefinitely rather than letting a few thousand rich people destroy our world causing massive suffering. But really, there's a world between living in caves with zero progress and letting capitalists destroy our world while we praise them, I'm not suggesting we live in caves, I'm suggesting we don't let ambitious assholes kill us all while blaming us for the problems they create.
I don’t need some jabbering moron with an agenda to tell me how I should feel about things I can observe with my own eyes.
And you don't have an agenda of driving civilization in the direction you want? Are you that blind to your own behavior? You're engaging in a conversation about it and pushing a point, that's an agenda.
It’s always a situation where the few are carrying the many
That's very likely due to different people having different tolerance for exploitation. Just because you don't mind being exploited try to be a good boot licker doesn't mean others are bad because they don't want to be exploited. Maybe in a different situation you'd be viewed as the lazy one. It's not selfish to not work harder for another's gain.
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Anarcho-communism (and similar ideologies) isn't really about everyone being equal, that's a silly goal that would take enforcement and calculations, it's not practical. Instead, anarcho-communism is a different way of living based on cooperation rather than exploitation and doing what is needed for people rather than what a few rich owners want.
You and a "lazy" person won't necessarily have the same outcome. A person unwilling to even pick up after themselves or contribute would still be guaranteed housing, food, and health care, but that's about it. You on the other hand could work to have a nicer place or acquire things, so long as you aren't getting them exploiting others or common resources. If you build a nice chair the anarcho-fuzz isn't gonna come and take it to split it amongst the community.
The thinking around "laziness" needs to change. A person unwilling to do even the absolute minimum might be called lazy, but A person unwilling to trade their time for money isn't a bad thing. It's not the "lazy" people that wipe out species, start wars, and cause climate change.
Let's also not forget that a lot of those "lazy" people are actually struggling with illness, insecurity, lack of critical resources, discrimination, burnout from "the grind", or just plain don't see the point in contributing much to a system that never seems to contribute anything back. Guaranteed housing, food, and healthcare would fix a lot of the problems that cause "laziness".
Exactly right, thank you.
And who is having to work extra to pick up their slack? That housing, food, and healthcare all require labor from others.
Our society already produces far more than we need, it's just sucked up by the owner class. If we removed the owner class and their hoarding, we could all work less and still have more than enough to provide for those unwilling or unable to completely provide for themselves.
I personally would be happy to do a bit of work to help ensure people aren't starving or freezing to death because they're going through a depressive episode or even if they're just "lazy fucks". Pretty sure every one I'd consider a friend thinks the same.
You know, it's people with an attitude like yours, unwilling to help out without direct benefit, who I consider lazy, not the person with low ambition.
I'm more than happy to contribute to benefit the group. I don't consider enabling freeloaders to be a benefit. If I want to feed someone that sits around not doing anything all day I'll get a cat.
Good thing people like me exist that will not only feed the "freeloaders", but take care of you too when you break your leg.
A broken leg is a temporary condition. As soon as it's mended I would be back at it (if not before, I also have computer skills that would not be inhibited by a broken leg). Laziness is a personality issue and they will not overcome it if they just have everything they need handed to them.
I say ambition, drive, greed, etc are personality issues that cause harm to others and the environment.
While I'm sure there are a few individuals that would rather sit and die than go get some food, this is not something to actually be concerned with. You watch too much right wing TV telling you there's a whole class of people that just want to take from you, but what's actually happening is that this group is being stolen from and what you see as laziness is often just an unwillingness to facilitate being stolen from.
Without ambition and drive people would still be living in caves. You think someone's going to learn science or medicine without ambition or drive?
I haven't watched any significant amount of TV in 12 years let alone news channels. I don't need some jabbering moron with an agenda to tell me how I should feel about things I can observe with my own eyes. I wasn't even initially talking about people receiving government assistance, I was talking about my coworkers I've had at various jobs. It's always a situation where the few are carrying the many and whatever their reason for being lazy, the outcome is more work and problems and stress for their fellow workers. It's selfish as fuck. I'm not exactly the pinnacle of mental health myself but I power through it when necessary so I don't create problems for others.
only white people (Caucasians) are from caves lol
don't lump everyone in with them
And we'd have a planet to live on indefinitely rather than letting a few thousand rich people destroy our world causing massive suffering. But really, there's a world between living in caves with zero progress and letting capitalists destroy our world while we praise them, I'm not suggesting we live in caves, I'm suggesting we don't let ambitious assholes kill us all while blaming us for the problems they create.
And you don't have an agenda of driving civilization in the direction you want? Are you that blind to your own behavior? You're engaging in a conversation about it and pushing a point, that's an agenda.
That's very likely due to different people having different tolerance for exploitation. Just because you don't mind being exploited try to be a good boot licker doesn't mean others are bad because they don't want to be exploited. Maybe in a different situation you'd be viewed as the lazy one. It's not selfish to not work harder for another's gain.