Holy shit, you're actually trying to argue that it's unjust to be punished for intentionally breaking a law, but perfectly fine to be punished with 10 years in prison for making a mistake.
You're very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative gleefully cheering on the imprisonment of a person from a group they don't like, regardless of the justness of the reason, and you have no idea.
Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No.
Again, you keep trying to paint it as them intentionally breaking the law. There is no indication of this. It seems just dishonest at this point to continually frame it this way. They didn't "attempt to find out" they fucked up. Why is this so hard for you to admit?
You’re very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative
lol put down the bong son... jfc, get over yourselves
You've made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don't like gun owners. I'm just holding the mirror up and you don't like what you see.
"Gun owner" is not an immutable attribute. Its not a skin colour. Comparing dislike of gun owners to racism is ridiculous.
One can only commit an injustice against a person if it's an immutable characteristic? That seems dumb in and of itself.
Ftr, possessing drugs is not a immutable attribute either.
But if that's your hang up, the logical next thought would be "what if I take race out of it" and it's just a conservative cheering on someone doing serious jail time for possession of a small amount of marijuana.
Then that's a different issue and should be handled according to what a person does/possesses and why on a case-by-case basis.
You avoided an important question in my post which undermined your whole point.
I stand by my point, their desire (and probably yours) is to make a gun owner suffer because you don't like them, justice and objectivity be damned. It's just like a racist conservative.
I can't take your argument seriously.
People are (rightfully) glad that reckless idiots travelling to other countries carrying literal explosive devices have been arrested, and your takeaway is there is... racism directed towards gun owners?
You're delusional.
our takeaway is there is… racism directed towards gun owners?
You and I both know this is not what I saying, why the dishonesty?
You're drawing parallels to racism because some people aren't up in arms that these idiots with explosives have been arrested.
That's pretty damn close.
because some people aren’t up in arms
Holy shit, more dishonesty.
People are glad that these people have been arrested for carrying explosive devices and you're drawing parallels to racism because of it.
That's your argument, and it's absolutely ridiculous.
And it's very funny that you're calling me dishonest, when earlier in the thread I mentioned that nobody was being punished for actions of their state, and you claimed you never said that. I then pasted you saying exactly that and you went off talking about something tangentially related.
That’s your argument, and it’s absolutely ridiculous.
No, what's ridiculous is you lying by claiming I said they are racist, and then turning around and lying and saying that I'm on people for not being "up in arms" about it, when all I've been doing is pointing out the injustice of the prison terms. I'm not even up up in arms about it. I just think it's wrong. But, don't worry, I won't lose any sleep if these people do jail time.
You keep flailing around trying to make my argument ridiculous, but all it does is reveal that you're uninterested in actually thinking about this, but instead just making up reasons in order to claim I'm wrong.
mentioned that nobody was being punished for actions of their state, and you claimed you never said that
Yeah, because I said people want them to be punished because of actions of their state, not that they were being punished for actions of their state. At first I thought this was probably just a case of poor reading comprehension, but in light of your current dishonesty, I'm not so sure anymore. And, besides, even if I was being dishonest, that doesn't preclude you from being dishonest.
You’ve made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don’t like gun owners
oof, another swing and a miss. you're so damned close tho kid.... tell you what. I make a distinction. I actually have a ton of respect for many gun owners; unfortunately, too many are fucking idiots who don't keep their weapons and ammo accounted for.
And I despise those fucks. They're the idiots getting children killed, supplying criminals with weapons and pissing off our neighbor countries with petty bullshit like this.
What I'd like to see happen: responsible people keep their privileges - but what I'm certain is going to happen is that everyone is going to be punished because the fucking morons can't stop leaving their pewpews in their fucking unlocked cars.
Holy shit, you're actually trying to argue that it's unjust to be punished for intentionally breaking a law, but perfectly fine to be punished with 10 years in prison for making a mistake.
You're very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative gleefully cheering on the imprisonment of a person from a group they don't like, regardless of the justness of the reason, and you have no idea.
Again, you keep trying to paint it as them intentionally breaking the law. There is no indication of this. It seems just dishonest at this point to continually frame it this way. They didn't "attempt to find out" they fucked up. Why is this so hard for you to admit?
lol put down the bong son... jfc, get over yourselves
You've made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don't like gun owners. I'm just holding the mirror up and you don't like what you see.
"Gun owner" is not an immutable attribute. Its not a skin colour. Comparing dislike of gun owners to racism is ridiculous.
One can only commit an injustice against a person if it's an immutable characteristic? That seems dumb in and of itself.
Ftr, possessing drugs is not a immutable attribute either.
But if that's your hang up, the logical next thought would be "what if I take race out of it" and it's just a conservative cheering on someone doing serious jail time for possession of a small amount of marijuana.
Then that's a different issue and should be handled according to what a person does/possesses and why on a case-by-case basis.
You avoided an important question in my post which undermined your whole point.
I stand by my point, their desire (and probably yours) is to make a gun owner suffer because you don't like them, justice and objectivity be damned. It's just like a racist conservative.
I can't take your argument seriously.
People are (rightfully) glad that reckless idiots travelling to other countries carrying literal explosive devices have been arrested, and your takeaway is there is... racism directed towards gun owners?
You're delusional.
You and I both know this is not what I saying, why the dishonesty?
You're drawing parallels to racism because some people aren't up in arms that these idiots with explosives have been arrested.
That's pretty damn close.
Holy shit, more dishonesty.
People are glad that these people have been arrested for carrying explosive devices and you're drawing parallels to racism because of it.
That's your argument, and it's absolutely ridiculous.
And it's very funny that you're calling me dishonest, when earlier in the thread I mentioned that nobody was being punished for actions of their state, and you claimed you never said that. I then pasted you saying exactly that and you went off talking about something tangentially related.
No, what's ridiculous is you lying by claiming I said they are racist, and then turning around and lying and saying that I'm on people for not being "up in arms" about it, when all I've been doing is pointing out the injustice of the prison terms. I'm not even up up in arms about it. I just think it's wrong. But, don't worry, I won't lose any sleep if these people do jail time.
You keep flailing around trying to make my argument ridiculous, but all it does is reveal that you're uninterested in actually thinking about this, but instead just making up reasons in order to claim I'm wrong.
Yeah, because I said people want them to be punished because of actions of their state, not that they were being punished for actions of their state. At first I thought this was probably just a case of poor reading comprehension, but in light of your current dishonesty, I'm not so sure anymore. And, besides, even if I was being dishonest, that doesn't preclude you from being dishonest.
oof, another swing and a miss. you're so damned close tho kid.... tell you what. I make a distinction. I actually have a ton of respect for many gun owners; unfortunately, too many are fucking idiots who don't keep their weapons and ammo accounted for.
And I despise those fucks. They're the idiots getting children killed, supplying criminals with weapons and pissing off our neighbor countries with petty bullshit like this.
What I'd like to see happen: responsible people keep their privileges - but what I'm certain is going to happen is that everyone is going to be punished because the fucking morons can't stop leaving their pewpews in their fucking unlocked cars.
https://jalopnik.com/youve-got-to-stop-keeping-your-gun-in-your-car-1850929717
so... you do you sport, will probably block you so I don't have to explain shit after this.