Biden’s Israel policy may hasten Trump’s rise, US allies fear

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As the president begins his last international trip before the election, the fear in the crowd is that conflict in Gaza is tripping him up.

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i think the issue is not necessarily that voters who are disappointed by biden on this issue would vote for trump directly, or even think he would make a different or "better" choice but instead may not turn out, or vote for a 3rd party candidate. with the race as close as it is now, that might be all it takes.

Then it behooves all of us who want to stop Trump to give them other reasons to vote for Biden. We need to let them know that Trump is not going to be any less supportive of genocide and it's either Trump or Biden. Voting third party or abstaining won't change that.

It helps if you try to convince people to vote on down ballot races too. Too many people think president is the most important thing to vote for when local and regional elections can matter far more on a personal level.

It also behooves Biden to just... not. Is supporting Israel's genocide so important to him that he'd rather let Trump win?

There is no point in waiting for Biden to change.

I don't need him to change, I need him to do what everyone else is already doing for him, that is do something he doesn't believe in so Joe Biden wins the election.

Okay, there's also no point in waiting for him to do that either. If that's what you're waiting for in order to vote for him, you might as well just vote for Trump.

Well, if not gonna move an inch we all better plan ahead as if he's already lost.

...or you can work on getting out the vote to prevent the guy who literally says he's going to be a dictator get into office.

Your bizarre "we have to force Biden to do something or fuck it all" attitude is so ridiculously unhelpful.

Helpful? The defeatist attitude isn't helpful either. Why are people being held to higher standards than the dipshit they're being asked to vote for? It's easier to get one old piece of shit to act to his own interests and do the bare fucking minimum and stop murdering children than to convince a lot of people to support murdering children.

How exactly is me saying that it behooves us to educate people a defeatist attitude? I'd say that "Biden needs to do this or else I won't vote for him" is defeatist since you know he won't do that.

you know he won’t do that.

That attitude. If you think he prefers Trump over trying to at least appear like he doesn't enjoy drinking orphan blood then your opinion of him is even lower than mine.

That's not defeatism, that's realism. Neither Trump or Biden will change America's pro-Israel stance that America has had for decades and only a fool would think otherwise. So basing your vote on that and refusing to vote for him if he doesn't is also foolish because it will result in a dictatorship.

"Either he does what I want or I let the dictator win" is as foolish as it gets.

Why can't he change his own stance? It would be very foolish of him to allow a dictatorship to take hold because of that.

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