Why lemmy.world should not defederate from beehaw.org.
What defederating would mean:
- We won't see beehaw.org posts/comments on other instances.
Pros:
- There is less confusion, you can't respond to a beehaw.org user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot.
Cons:
- We won't be able to see any beehaw.org comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org users won't see any of our content.
Summary
Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our 'front page').
beehaw.org users already can't see our posts/comments anywhere so it's not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn't really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users.
What do you think?
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What's dumb is that if someone wanted to troll them they could just make an account on any number of smaller instances that they federate with. I mean, eventually they will have to be completely siloed off to prevent outside trolling.
Yeah, I suspect they will move to a whitelist the moment that functionality becomes available. Or just defederate entirely from everything and become a walled garden.
A whitelisting feature already exists.
thats pretty unfair, theres no reason to think that they intend on cutting themselves off from the fednet entirely
according to them this is a temporary measure until they have better tools for moderation, more mods or until things have calmed down a bit, I dont see any reason to question that
I hope they ran this defederation thing by their users first.
They did not. It was just dumped on everyone earlier today
I'm all for protecting users from bigoted assholes, but I would be very unhappy as one of the users they aim to protect due to feeling as tho they believe they know how to act in the best interest of their users, when they don't give their community a seat at the grown-ups' table to make the decision.
I'd rather not be part of an instance in which drastic, sweeping actions are taken without consideration or feedback from their userbase. I'm not even arguing that they are wrong in doing what they did; just that I wouldn't appreciate being treated like they know what's best for me. Feels like being treated like a child.
I don't want to be part of an instance in which I'll suddenly lose access to content across Lemmy because it's 'in my best interest' according to internet strangers.
With that said, hopefully we stop accruing bigoted assholes here, we get better mod tools, and things can be refederated.
I had an account on beehaw and once I saw the post I immediately created a new account on lemmy.world for the exact reason you described. I don't want to be cut off or told what I can and can't see.
That was my thought as well. Seems like a bad idea this early in the social experiment.
Well, we're the new ones to the social experiment, they were here first :) Disappointing decision though.
That's fair. Need to check my reddit privilege lol.
So I have an account on beehaw and pointed this out earlier to the admins. Got snapped at because how dare I try and say what they will do in the future. I was also told if they were going to defederate from everyone they already would have. Didn't really get a response as to what they would do once people start to trolling from other instances. They don't think it'll be a problem from what I gathered
If anything this is just going to make them an even larger target for trolling. I don't have a good solution for what they should do. But it seems that fediverse is antithetical to their goals.
I know. It's not hard to lie your way into their instance if you really wanted to or one that has criteria to join. I really don't think they know what they got themselves into with this decision because you're right, they put a huge target on their backs.
they could, but in practice it would never amount to the level of trolling and toxicity they are receiving from .world and justworks
folks are taking this too seriously imo