Nato summit: Ukraine on 'irreversible path' to membership

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Nato summit: Ukraine on 'irreversible path' to membership

Nato members have pledged their support for an "irreversible path" to future membership for Ukraine, as well as more aid.

While a formal timeline for it to join the military alliance was not agreed at a summit in Washington DC, the military alliance's 32 members said they had "unwavering" support for Ukraine's war effort.

Nato has also announced further integration with Ukraine's military and members have committed €40bn ($43.3bn, £33.7bn) in aid in the next year, including F-16 fighter jets and air defence support.

The bloc's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Support to Ukraine is not charity - it is in our own security interest."

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Change your government then, I'm already overseas, relative to you (unless you're posting from Moscow).
Nobody forced Russia to invade. You're saying NATO expansion forced their hand, why? Just because they'd lose their vassal and they didn't want to. Life in Ukraine SUCKED, that's why Euromaidan happened; was it pushed by US agencies as well? Maybe, but still it wouldn't have happened if not for the massive corruption there, much of which was upheld by Russia, see their support for Yanukovych.

NATO didnt force them to invade but it highly encouraged it. Russia said that Ukraine was the bightest of red lines and we saw what happpened to georgia when they were trying to join nato. There is no good reason to have Ukraine in NATO it brings much much more trouble than its worth, but NATO did it anyways knowing that it was considered an existential danger by russia.

Ukraine wasn't entering NATO, it was seeking close ties to the EU.

And anyway it's a sovereign country, it can do whatever the hell it wants, they're not slaves to Russia.

In early 2021, the Russian military began massing on Ukraine's borders. At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the statement made at the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would eventually join NATO.[10] In late 2021, there was another massive Russian military buildup around Ukraine. Russia's Foreign Ministry demanded that Ukraine be forbidden from ever joining NATO.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg replied that the decision is up to Ukraine and NATO members, adding "Russia has no right to establish a sphere of influence to try to control their neighbors".

From the 2008 Bucharest summit

Georgia and Ukraine had hoped to join the NATO Membership Action Plan,[3] but, while welcoming the two countries’ aspirations for membership and agreeing that "these countries will become members of NATO", the NATO members decided to review their request in December 2008.

This meeting was held in April and Russia invaded Georgia in August. So yes, Ukraine was wanting to join nato for years.

Why would NATO want to even consider having Ukraine join if it was the brightest of red lines, and very likely would end in war?

Proves nothing. Russia itself at one point pretended to want to join NATO, it's all politicking. And it's still pointless, a sovereign country is free to do what it wants, if it isn't, then it's not free and it has all the reason to fight for its freedom.
The US is practically never the good guy, but Russia is even worse, in this instance they're absolutely indefensible.

Oh yeah totally means nothing when they will literally go to war over the thing that means nothing. The issue is that nothing I can say will get across to you because you have believed the propaganda.

Well, you know, I actually went there, a few months before the war, and had the chance to talk to people, so maybe check your own propaganda bias.

You talked to putin and NATO?

Yeah all right, conversation over.

I am sorry I didnt pretend anecdotes were foreign policy.

And I'm sorry you don't understand sovereignty

And I am sorry you dont understand needless wars. Just dont include me or my family in your stupid wars dude.