Dutch beach volleyball player convicted of rape is booed again, louder, in second match of Olympics

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Dutch beach volleyball player convicted of rape is booed again, louder, in second match of Olympics
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Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl, won his second match at the Paris Olympics and received an even harsher reaction from the crowd on Wednesday than for his first match.

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I think it's a little different than typical vigilantism when he's convicted and demonstrably used his privilege to get out of it, much less when he's in the Olympics representing his nation (of child rapists, apparently, thus the government officials defending his right to get children drunk and rape them).

You are right that France isn't the place to do it though, the French pedophilic cabal that has infiltrated the government is their Supreme Court.

"A little different." This time. What about all the other times? What if it's a member of the French supreme court that it turns out that, despite you thinking they're a pedophile, they aren't actually a pedophile?

I mean if they’re high in the judiciary they’re already guilty of something. It’s like billionaires, you know? Probably best to just get rid of the lot. Safer.

Or are they one of the ones stopping the corruption from spreading, but the lynch mob was convinced by the corrupt one that they were the real pedophile?

Also, black people were regularly accused of that in the U.S. during the era when lynchings were common.

If they’re in the supreme court, they are the corruption.

(BTW, I don’t agree with lynching alleged or sentenced pedophiles, just wanted to get in my little jabs at the court)

Seems to me like a supreme court is kind of needed. So how do you have one if everyone on it is automatically corrupt?

Some kind of institution with final decision making ability for disputes is needed, yes.

How would I have it structured? Something along these lines:

  • The body itself is entirely transparent with all meetings and matters of discussion open to the public
  • The body makes decisions by consensus
  • The body is created to deal with a single issue and immediately disbanded thereafter.
  • No single person can serve on such a body more than once.
  • The members of the body are chosen by some kind of open, democratic process.
  • There are otherwise no restrictions, requirements, or limitations upon the capacity of who can be on such a body (e.g. no age requirements, no citizenship requirements, etc.)

I’m not an expert and these aren’t exhaustive or anything, just a few ideas. Obviously the rules shouldn’t be decided by a single person, they should be decided by consensus.

Wouldn't that require everyone to have extensive knowledge of the laws of the land? There's a reason people go to law school for years. You can't simplify a nation's laws enough to have your system unless there was only one law and it was 'whatever the kind says is illegal is illegal.' You couldn't even establish proper courtroom procedure that way because everyone would have to know what is and isn't legally permissible.

No, not really - these kinds of decisions would be more along the lines of finding a fair resolution to a dispute, rather than the interpretation of specific law. That sort of thing is done with the intent to oppress, rather than remediate.

We basically have this system already for lots of crimes in certain legal systems based on the commonwealth, it’s called a jury.

So there also shouldn't be laws? Because otherwise I'm not sure how matters of law should be settled like this if people aren't familiar with the laws.

Sure, society needs rules, but they don’t need to be all that complex, and the real nuances or loopholes are better handled as individual cases

I think you underestimate how many laws you need to keep a nation functional.

Even Hammurabi had 282 written laws and his was a 'whatever the king says is illegal is illegal' empire.

You need laws to cover everything from murder to product safety to child custody after divorce. And none of those are able to solved simply every time because many cases have a lot of nuance.

On top of that, as I said, you need a lot of rules covering courtroom procedures. Expecting a random citizen to understand things like when something can be presented as evidence and what sort of questions a witness can be asked is expecting too much of them.

You make a great point - you do need a lot of laws… if the intent is to oppress people. Less so if you want a fair and equitable society.

You’re not really engaging with what I’m saying because you’re so assured and confident in your world view.

We don’t have to live in a hierarchical society where we are owned by our rulers. We can create a different world with our own rules.

I don’t know what those rules should be - no single person possibly ever could. My position is that the world we have is fundamentally, structurally, and intentionally unequal, unjust, and impossible to reform. We need to depose those who have created and enforced the current system and replace them with a new, fairer system designed from the ground up by all of us, not a new replacement elite.

It is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism, but if we don’t end capitalism, we will instead live to see the end of the modern human civilisation.

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