You can tell that to yourself, it's the core of what you meant, regardless of whether you want to use the specific word "utopia" or just talk about "ideal societies that won't take place". I'm not here to argue semantics.
What revolution?
Whichever comes. Revolutions take place periodically in different countries. French revolution, October revolution, revolutionary struggles against colonialism... All of those were revolutions, i.e. events in history with rapid radical changes in the form of governance and organisation of a system, possibly with a change in the classes of society.
What's the Marxist plan for preventing the people who take power from becoming the new exploiters? How do Marxists propose to overcome the fact that power corrupts?
The solution is being as democratic as possible. Establishing grassroots, dual power structures early and way before the revolutions. Strong unions, neighborhood associations, social rights movements like current feminist organizations... All of those linked and in collaboration with each other and with a vanguard party of Marxist intellectuals who guide these collectives and vice-versa.
it's the core of what you meant
"ideal societies that won't take place"
That's not what I meant though. You can't even listen when someone tells you you're not listening.
being as democratic as possible
LOL so no solution in fact, just hope that things might turn out better. Selling a better future. Like a religion. It all makes sense now. Best of luck.
!LOL so no solution in fact
Not if you choose to ignore everything else I said after that. But that's just you wanting to argue in bad faith
Nothing you said after that prevents corruption. You haven't offered a solution, you've just offered a hope.
That's just, like, your opinion, dude. Anarcho-syndicalism doesn't logically eliminate corruption either, no system does
no system does
Exactly. Socialism brings no solution to the table. To think, all this time Marx was just faffing about the difference between being stabbed with a six inch knife and a twelve inch knife. What a palaver.
Marx's point wasn't the complete elimination of corruption, but the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class. This has historically happened in several countries and can (and will) happen again.
the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class
But not the elimination of exploitation. In which case: meh.
But not the elimination of exploitation
There's no surplus labour extraction, hence no exploitation
LOL you're deluded. What does it mean for there to be corruption without exploitation? Corruption is a form of exploitation.
Corruption isn't systematic, it's an isolated and illegal activity, unlike extraction of surplus value in capitalism which is legal and encouraged and systematic. The extent of corruption is orders of magnitude below capitalist exploitation.
Corruption isn't systematic, it's an isolated and illegal activity
LOL
The extent of corruption is orders of magnitude below capitalist exploitation.
I see.
Well, good luck.
Dude, you're deluded if you think capitalist exploitation is even close to corruption in communism. There was no Bezos and no Elon in the USSR. There were no yatchs and hookers. There were no homeless workers, or workers without access to healthcare. The inequality was extremely low compared to Capitalism, even comparing workers with your dreaded "bureaucracy". The fact that you'd even compare the both just shows how stupidly uneducated you are in this.
You can tell that to yourself, it's the core of what you meant, regardless of whether you want to use the specific word "utopia" or just talk about "ideal societies that won't take place". I'm not here to argue semantics.
Whichever comes. Revolutions take place periodically in different countries. French revolution, October revolution, revolutionary struggles against colonialism... All of those were revolutions, i.e. events in history with rapid radical changes in the form of governance and organisation of a system, possibly with a change in the classes of society.
The solution is being as democratic as possible. Establishing grassroots, dual power structures early and way before the revolutions. Strong unions, neighborhood associations, social rights movements like current feminist organizations... All of those linked and in collaboration with each other and with a vanguard party of Marxist intellectuals who guide these collectives and vice-versa.
That's not what I meant though. You can't even listen when someone tells you you're not listening.
LOL so no solution in fact, just hope that things might turn out better. Selling a better future. Like a religion. It all makes sense now. Best of luck.
Not if you choose to ignore everything else I said after that. But that's just you wanting to argue in bad faith
Nothing you said after that prevents corruption. You haven't offered a solution, you've just offered a hope.
That's just, like, your opinion, dude. Anarcho-syndicalism doesn't logically eliminate corruption either, no system does
Exactly. Socialism brings no solution to the table. To think, all this time Marx was just faffing about the difference between being stabbed with a six inch knife and a twelve inch knife. What a palaver.
Marx's point wasn't the complete elimination of corruption, but the elimination of the exploitation of the working class by the owning class. This has historically happened in several countries and can (and will) happen again.
But not the elimination of exploitation. In which case: meh.
There's no surplus labour extraction, hence no exploitation
LOL you're deluded. What does it mean for there to be corruption without exploitation? Corruption is a form of exploitation.
Corruption isn't systematic, it's an isolated and illegal activity, unlike extraction of surplus value in capitalism which is legal and encouraged and systematic. The extent of corruption is orders of magnitude below capitalist exploitation.
LOL
I see.
Well, good luck.
Dude, you're deluded if you think capitalist exploitation is even close to corruption in communism. There was no Bezos and no Elon in the USSR. There were no yatchs and hookers. There were no homeless workers, or workers without access to healthcare. The inequality was extremely low compared to Capitalism, even comparing workers with your dreaded "bureaucracy". The fact that you'd even compare the both just shows how stupidly uneducated you are in this.